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		<title>By: MikeC</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3352</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 20:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, too, that the realtors will &quot;revise&quot; their assertions of there being no &quot;housing bubble&quot;.

That will come, of course, in a few years, once the effects of the bubble are past.
&quot;Now that that bubble has passed, the one that we&#039;ve been denying straight-faced as it happened all along, it&#039;s time to buy, buy, buy!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, too, that the realtors will &#8220;revise&#8221; their assertions of there being no &#8220;housing bubble&#8221;.</p>
<p>That will come, of course, in a few years, once the effects of the bubble are past.<br />
&#8220;Now that that bubble has passed, the one that we&#8217;ve been denying straight-faced as it happened all along, it&#8217;s time to buy, buy, buy!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: accountant1</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3351</link>
		<dc:creator>accountant1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This use of this statistic always mystifies me.  My experience is that people generally have no idea whether they&#039;re capable of spending more money, or in financial danger, especially since Visa has managed to completely rob them of any visual barometer of how much money they have (or don&#039;t).  As far as I can tell the only thing that influences consumer confidence is the price of oil/gas.  It has nothing to do with reasonable analysis or reality.  I also have to laugh at the headlines about rising wages fueling all this spending.  I don&#039;t know about you, but my wages are governed by a contract and I don&#039;t know anyone else who is marching in and demanding a raise because they heard their was a labor shortage.  Just who is this massive group of Americans with massive rising wages fueling their spending.  It&#039;s not the way I live, my parents live, any of my friends live.

If anyone can frame any of this up for me so it makes sense I&#039;d much appreciate it.  For now I guess I&#039;ll go back to my non-MSM alternate universe.  Smiles all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This use of this statistic always mystifies me.  My experience is that people generally have no idea whether they&#8217;re capable of spending more money, or in financial danger, especially since Visa has managed to completely rob them of any visual barometer of how much money they have (or don&#8217;t).  As far as I can tell the only thing that influences consumer confidence is the price of oil/gas.  It has nothing to do with reasonable analysis or reality.  I also have to laugh at the headlines about rising wages fueling all this spending.  I don&#8217;t know about you, but my wages are governed by a contract and I don&#8217;t know anyone else who is marching in and demanding a raise because they heard their was a labor shortage.  Just who is this massive group of Americans with massive rising wages fueling their spending.  It&#8217;s not the way I live, my parents live, any of my friends live.</p>
<p>If anyone can frame any of this up for me so it makes sense I&#8217;d much appreciate it.  For now I guess I&#8217;ll go back to my non-MSM alternate universe.  Smiles all.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3350</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 04:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Judge-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/lady-doth-protest-too-much-methinks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;line&#160;in Hamlet&lt;/a&gt; comes to mind:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&quot;The lady&lt;/em&gt; [or MSM]&lt;em&gt; doth protest too much, methinks.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judge-</p>
<p>The <a target="_blank" href="http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/lady-doth-protest-too-much-methinks" rel="nofollow">line&nbsp;in Hamlet</a> comes to mind:</p>
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<p><em>&quot;The lady</em> [or MSM]<em> doth protest too much, methinks.&quot;</em></p>
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		<title>By: The Judge</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3349</link>
		<dc:creator>The Judge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit off-topic, but I continue to be baffled by MSM stories like the sidebar posted today: &quot;Valley new home shows signs of stabilizing.&quot;

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=83184

Just because builders take out 55 percent fewer permits, that doesn&#039;t necessarily translate into a stabilizing market.

The builders are making a prudent, long-overdue decision to &quot;stabilize&quot; their bottom lines and try to reduce inventory. OK, fine.

But what the MSM can&#039;t seem to realize is that builders have &quot;sold forward&quot; so badly over the last few years, that nothing short of totally stopping new construction is going to &quot;stabilize&quot; the market, if that.

Question: Were most of the new home sales since 2004 made by &quot;end users&quot; or by flippers in their many disguises, i.e. &quot;second (or third) homes&quot; or &quot;vacation homes&quot; or (now) &quot;don&#039;t-wannabe landlords&quot;?

Even if that ratio was 50/50, that&#039;s a lot of &quot;new&quot; inventory that isn&#039;t in the hands of &quot;end users.&quot; These houses are almost certain to come back on the MLS in some fashion or another, and they will come back as &quot;resales,&quot; including forclosures.

So there&#039;s plenty of &quot;new&quot; or lightly-rented properties out there, regardless if builders put down their hammer and nails for a few months.

The bottom line: builders have &quot;cannibalized&quot; their pool of buyers so badly, I&#039;m not sure a slowdown in permits will make much difference at this point. Just because they pull fewer permits so they can &quot;clear out the existing inventory,&quot; that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that inventory is going to sell.

What buyers are left? Dead people? Children? Because anyone with a pulse and a wish for the &quot;American Dream&quot; has already bought.

And now that subprime credit is starting to tighten, that&#039;s only going to keep the inventory numbers soaring. Can&#039;t wait until after the Super Bowl to see the spring dead-cat bounce.

-- The Judge
&quot;Remember, sell now or be priced in forever.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit off-topic, but I continue to be baffled by MSM stories like the sidebar posted today: &#8220;Valley new home shows signs of stabilizing.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=83184" rel="nofollow">http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=83184</a></p>
<p>Just because builders take out 55 percent fewer permits, that doesn&#8217;t necessarily translate into a stabilizing market.</p>
<p>The builders are making a prudent, long-overdue decision to &#8220;stabilize&#8221; their bottom lines and try to reduce inventory. OK, fine.</p>
<p>But what the MSM can&#8217;t seem to realize is that builders have &#8220;sold forward&#8221; so badly over the last few years, that nothing short of totally stopping new construction is going to &#8220;stabilize&#8221; the market, if that.</p>
<p>Question: Were most of the new home sales since 2004 made by &#8220;end users&#8221; or by flippers in their many disguises, i.e. &#8220;second (or third) homes&#8221; or &#8220;vacation homes&#8221; or (now) &#8220;don&#8217;t-wannabe landlords&#8221;?</p>
<p>Even if that ratio was 50/50, that&#8217;s a lot of &#8220;new&#8221; inventory that isn&#8217;t in the hands of &#8220;end users.&#8221; These houses are almost certain to come back on the MLS in some fashion or another, and they will come back as &#8220;resales,&#8221; including forclosures.</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s plenty of &#8220;new&#8221; or lightly-rented properties out there, regardless if builders put down their hammer and nails for a few months.</p>
<p>The bottom line: builders have &#8220;cannibalized&#8221; their pool of buyers so badly, I&#8217;m not sure a slowdown in permits will make much difference at this point. Just because they pull fewer permits so they can &#8220;clear out the existing inventory,&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that inventory is going to sell.</p>
<p>What buyers are left? Dead people? Children? Because anyone with a pulse and a wish for the &#8220;American Dream&#8221; has already bought.</p>
<p>And now that subprime credit is starting to tighten, that&#8217;s only going to keep the inventory numbers soaring. Can&#8217;t wait until after the Super Bowl to see the spring dead-cat bounce.</p>
<p>&#8211; The Judge<br />
&#8220;Remember, sell now or be priced in forever.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3348</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 00:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hat tip to commenter &lt;em&gt;MazNJ&lt;/em&gt; from Ben&#039;s who seems to have found that the revision was &lt;em&gt;up&lt;/em&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Comment by &lt;em&gt;MazNJ&lt;/em&gt; &lt;br&gt;
2007-01-31 08:50:12 &lt;br&gt;
I went searching caches and the number for december was revised UP from 109, so in this case, it actually is going in the opposite direction. While I suspect many groups of revision boosting, this is not apparently the case here. The 105.3 was the same. Basically, the Nov to Dec gain was higher than expected.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hat tip to commenter <em>MazNJ</em> from Ben&#8217;s who seems to have found that the revision was <em>up</em>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Comment by <em>MazNJ</em> <br />
2007-01-31 08:50:12 <br />
I went searching caches and the number for december was revised UP from 109, so in this case, it actually is going in the opposite direction. While I suspect many groups of revision boosting, this is not apparently the case here. The 105.3 was the same. Basically, the Nov to Dec gain was higher than expected.
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		<title>By: Old Mike</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3347</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post is great, but the sidebar today is wonderful! The NYNY, both Wire Guys, Mr. Winter, the post on &quot;Shotgun Fraud&quot;, even Jan-Martin&#039;s Cartoon, are all well worth the effort. Amazing stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post is great, but the sidebar today is wonderful! The NYNY, both Wire Guys, Mr. Winter, the post on &#8220;Shotgun Fraud&#8221;, even Jan-Martin&#8217;s Cartoon, are all well worth the effort. Amazing stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twist -

I mentioned this stats scam over at Ben&#039;s Bits this morning, where I termed it &lt;strong&gt;revision boost&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twist -</p>
<p>I mentioned this stats scam over at Ben&#8217;s Bits this morning, where I termed it <strong>revision boost</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 14:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NAR also periodically revises their existing home sales report, also generally with a note saying &quot;revised,&quot; but not providing the old value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NAR also periodically revises their existing home sales report, also generally with a note saying &#8220;revised,&#8221; but not providing the old value.</p>
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		<title>By: jan-martin feddersen</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3344</link>
		<dc:creator>jan-martin feddersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks.

it looks like the quality of dozens of us numbers are worthless and missleading.

no wonder the fed is often behind the curve......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks.</p>
<p>it looks like the quality of dozens of us numbers are worthless and missleading.</p>
<p>no wonder the fed is often behind the curve&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twist -

Looks like this little trick may be more widespread than we thought.  I&#039;ve just put a 310 story cluster up about rising US &quot;consumer confidence&quot;, but here again the headline trend is that same apples-and-oranges comparison between this month&#039;s raw figure versus last month&#039;s revised, with the old raw number nowhere to be found.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jan2007/db20070131_976294.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Behind Consumers&#039; Growing Confidence: With gas prices down and the job market up, consumers are feeling better about the economy&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Pallavi Gogoi, &lt;em&gt;BusinessWeek&lt;/em&gt;, January 31, 2006.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Conference Board&#039;s survey of consumers revealed that an expanding labor market and rising wages are giving Americans more money to spend. Most Americans feel good enough about their situations that they plan to buy cars or homes in the next six months. &lt;strong&gt;The board&#039;s consumer confidence index for January rose to 110.3, from a revised 110.0 in December and 105.3 in November.&lt;/strong&gt; &quot;This month&#039;s slight increase in confidence was…fueled primarily by a more favorable job market,&quot; says Lynn Franco, director of the Conference Board Consumer Research Center.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twist -</p>
<p>Looks like this little trick may be more widespread than we thought.  I&#8217;ve just put a 310 story cluster up about rising US &#8220;consumer confidence&#8221;, but here again the headline trend is that same apples-and-oranges comparison between this month&#8217;s raw figure versus last month&#8217;s revised, with the old raw number nowhere to be found.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jan2007/db20070131_976294.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_businessweek+exclusives" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Behind Consumers&#8217; Growing Confidence: With gas prices down and the job market up, consumers are feeling better about the economy&#8221;</a>, by Pallavi Gogoi, <em>BusinessWeek</em>, January 31, 2006.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Conference Board&#8217;s survey of consumers revealed that an expanding labor market and rising wages are giving Americans more money to spend. Most Americans feel good enough about their situations that they plan to buy cars or homes in the next six months. <strong>The board&#8217;s consumer confidence index for January rose to 110.3, from a revised 110.0 in December and 105.3 in November.</strong> &#8220;This month&#8217;s slight increase in confidence was…fueled primarily by a more favorable job market,&#8221; says Lynn Franco, director of the Conference Board Consumer Research Center.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: The Judge</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/31/dec-06-new-home-sales/#comment-3342</link>
		<dc:creator>The Judge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 10:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great work, Twist.

And here&#039;s the kicker: with all the fraud going on, and the sales incentives that don&#039;t get counted, we know these downward-revised numbers are bogus as well.

Every newspaper that ran the previous story should have to publish an update, showing the real numbers. Of course, when they can&#039;t even be bothered to include the &quot;margin for error&quot; in their stories -- which in many cases is not an insignificant statistic -- I won&#039;t be holding my breath waiting on any revisions from the previous bright and cheery &quot;market-has-stabilized&quot; stories.

-- The Judge
&quot;Remember, sell now or be priced in forever.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great work, Twist.</p>
<p>And here&#8217;s the kicker: with all the fraud going on, and the sales incentives that don&#8217;t get counted, we know these downward-revised numbers are bogus as well.</p>
<p>Every newspaper that ran the previous story should have to publish an update, showing the real numbers. Of course, when they can&#8217;t even be bothered to include the &#8220;margin for error&#8221; in their stories &#8212; which in many cases is not an insignificant statistic &#8212; I won&#8217;t be holding my breath waiting on any revisions from the previous bright and cheery &#8220;market-has-stabilized&#8221; stories.</p>
<p>&#8211; The Judge<br />
&#8220;Remember, sell now or be priced in forever.&#8221;</p>
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