The real estate bust has played out like a roller coaster- cities that rose dramatically early in the game- Miami, Las Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego, were also where the cracks first started to show. Other markets around the nation ignored the warning signs however, feeling that somehow their markets were "bullet-proof". Buyers looked at above average appreciation and decided to buy, not wanting to believe that their market would follow the same pattern as others. Case in point, Seattle. This Seattle Times article from July 16, 2006 was typical for the period:
As the residential real-estate market cools in other parts of the nation, one question is why Seattle’s market remains robust. Money magazine predicts homes in the Seattle-Bellevue-Everett area will appreciate 10.5 percent between this June and next. That’s twice the rate predicted for the country overall.
Home prices are often described in simple terms as products of supply and demand, but several factors — land availability, job and population growth, and interest rates — make the housing market more complex.
Professor Chris Mayer, director of the Milstein Center for Real Estate at New York’s Columbia Business School, says Seattle outperforms other major cities because it’s relatively unusual.
"Seattle is one of a handful of places I’ve written about and referred to as a ’superstar city,’ " Mayer said. "It’s not quite in the same league as San Francisco and New York, but if you look at census data, house prices in Seattle have grown faster than the national average for 50 years, from 1950 to 2000."
For those of us that watch markets across the nation, we’ve seen that "We’re special" mantra change to "We’ve been hurt by national trends" time and again. Seattle is joining the club. According to local agent Jirius Isaac sales are down 12.5% from last year. Another agent, Jim Hunt, says single family inventory is up 33% YOY and condo inventory is up 62%.
But that doesn’t stop the perma-bull predictions:
As December came to a soggy close in 2007, the housing market saw the expected seasonal slowdown. But the real estate brokers maintain optimism, citing job growth, stable prices, and other indications of an improving house market.
Brokers reported 3,950 pending sales during the month of December, down from November’s transactions of 5,194. Compared to numbers from December of 2006, the number of pending transactions had dropped by about 31%.
Despite the slowdown, real estate brokers said buyers are still upbeat and ready to act.
[According to] Windememere/Commencement Associates in Tacoma, "My agents tell me their recent conversations with buyers indicate pent-up demand that should start showing up in the marketplace this month and next."
Sales will undoubtedly start their month-to-month increase in the next couple of months as the sales season gets going, but year-over-year, it’s going to be down. The same issues, i.e. bad mortgages, lack of buyer confidence, rising inventory, etc., that hit the rest of the "hot" markets will be back to bite Seattle.
Another bull market bites the dust.









I tried to keep someone on our mortgage board from buying in Portland, OR last summer. He said that yes, the 20% appreciation they had experienced the last 3 years was overkill for the area, but he saw no reason why it wouldn’t continue to appreciate at least 10% from now on. After all, he lived in a very desireable area. He went with a loan that took up 63% of his before-tax income & said he would be able to refi next spring into just an 80% LTV loan.
I tried to show him that 10% appreciation was impossible over long periods of time. I did a simple spreadsheet calc from 1940-2000 showing a 10% appreciation would result in a $2 million AVERAGE home.
But he bought it anyway.
& I bet you he’s still bullish.
Diana-
I’ve considered going back and pulling comments from all the major metro areas that have claims that their market is “special.” Most of this “special bullet-proof markets” have been declining. When you look at supply and demand in even the better markets, you are generally see supply up and demand down. Yes it’s possible to “cherry pick” and show that certain neighborhoods have done better than others, but anyone who buys anywhere in this market without doing their research can find themselves with an expensive, declining asset.
Someone please explain to me why educated people cant understand supply and demand and median income.I am an average joe.I didnt go to college,I dont have a financial background.I guess what I have is commonsense and good eyes and ears.Median income earners drive the market.When the price goes above that earners ability to buy,sales will drop!There is no such thing as”bullet-proof” in our market today.Maybe 100 years ago,not today.
Maybe the lowering of the interest rates in the past few weeks can help the Seatle area. Bloomberg reported today that the Mortgage Bankers Associated reported an increase in new home mortages and refinancing. Bloomberg Link .
I am not trying to imply that the problem is solved, but if the rates are favorable, we might be able to get the supply demand curve back in line. The we can focus on issues like marketing a home, doing showings and open houses with the expectation there will be enough buyers to merit the effort.
– Open House
Open House-
The problem I see with recovery in Seattle is tighter lending standards and prices out of line with what most people can afford.
When a home payment is affordable, you aren’t trying to use your primary residence to get rich and you are sticking around awhile, then buying can make sense without paying a lot of attention to the direction of the market.
I remember friends buying a home years ago that was more than they could really afford, but they were saying, “As long as we can keep our jobs, the car doesn’t ever break down, no one gets sick and we live without new furniture for awhile, we’ll be fine.” That kind of planning is too risky.
Low interest rates won’t solve financing rates, but they certainly won’t hurt. I still think sales will be down considerably YOY this summer in Seattle.
Hi Twist,
Long time no post/email. Hope your move went well. Just thought I’d chime in and let you know that the Vegas MLS numbers have been out since Jan 3 however, there still hasn’t been an article in the paper. Wonder why?
Here’s why… how does a median price of $260k for SFHs hit ya? It was $306k last year and $312 in 2005. Sales, yeah we had a couple. Ok, 879 is more than a couple, but not much more.
Inventory isn’t going away (look at how high the listings were for Dec) and I’m certain the big drops are coming due to the number of foreclosures that continue to come on the market. It’ll be a while before we hit bottom.
Glad all the local experts (except me, of course!) agree we didn’t and don’t have a bubble here!
-Rebel
Rebel-
It’s good to hear from you- I appreciate your rare sane voice perspective on LV.
I saw the LV numbers, but my post isn’t up either. [Mostly because the graphs, etc. take awhile, and I'm still trying to unpack and get the kids in school.]
You are right though- up until the bust, the RJ always reported on the previous month’s sales by the 5th of the month. Now there’s no particular rush.
Mr. Twist called me from LV today, [He's in town for CES] he says there’s no escaping the City Center ads. They are marketing them like crazy, but I think the project is too big, too late. If SF is bad in LV, condos are worse.
Every place will soon be in the Club, even NYC. They’ve got a long way to fall to reasonablness. Meanwhile Florida has been leading the Club for some time.
As Florida Sinks
The View from the Titanic
http://www.counterpunch.org/farago01092008.html
And according to Jeffrey Saut, chief investment strategist for Raymond James
“The real question is whether the overspent/undersaved consumer is finally sated with debt,” Saut said. “The Fed can stand on its head and blow soap bubbles out of its butt and that won’t do anything.”
http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/09/news/economy/fed_rates/index.htm?cnn=yes
The west coast seems to be tied into California. A lot of people migrated from California and caused a run-up in prices in Seattle/Tacoma. Now that California is tanking, so will Washington state.
or maybe they didn’t so much as migrate as they did just buy to hold & flip since it worked so well in CA, at first.
Diana-
I think a lot of Californians took their gains [or at least their HELOCS] and invested in surrounding states. Certainly when I’m looking at the Maricopa County website at “boom time” purchases, when I see a non-owner occupied property, most are owned by Arizonans, but Californians are the most frequent out-of-state buyer. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same is true in other western states.
My guess is those numbers are currently down though.
Diana,
I am sure you are right. Either way the downturn in California will impact Washington state.
Don’t know about the metropolitan areas of the Puget Sound, but I have noticed a disproportionate amount of California investment in Washington vacation properties, especially along the coastline.
Jon