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	<title>Comments on: Clinton: &quot;&quot;When I started warning about this housing crisis and what it would do to the economy, I was blown off.&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10108</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 14:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce-

My sentiments exactly.  After years of overindulging in fatty foods and overeating, sometimes the doctor&#039;s only option is a quadruple bypass- even if the patient prefers a doctor that says, &quot;Have seconds, you&#039;ll feel better.&quot;

It&#039;s quadruple bypass time, and there&#039;s no way this patient is going to be grateful for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce-</p>
<p>My sentiments exactly.  After years of overindulging in fatty foods and overeating, sometimes the doctor&#8217;s only option is a quadruple bypass- even if the patient prefers a doctor that says, &#8220;Have seconds, you&#8217;ll feel better.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quadruple bypass time, and there&#8217;s no way this patient is going to be grateful for it.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewho</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10107</link>
		<dc:creator>brucewho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RP is abysmal from the perspective of electability.  His prescription is all about tough love.  We have entitlements run amok no doubt but an absolutist approach will win few friends.  It may be too late for incremental belt tightening anyway.

Besides our monetary policy pertaining to finance is much worse and will bring us down long before that, perhaps even this year.  Reality is about to rear its ugly head and will force hard choices.  I pity whomever becomes our next president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RP is abysmal from the perspective of electability.  His prescription is all about tough love.  We have entitlements run amok no doubt but an absolutist approach will win few friends.  It may be too late for incremental belt tightening anyway.</p>
<p>Besides our monetary policy pertaining to finance is much worse and will bring us down long before that, perhaps even this year.  Reality is about to rear its ugly head and will force hard choices.  I pity whomever becomes our next president.</p>
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		<title>By: agnostic</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10106</link>
		<dc:creator>agnostic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhh, shame, shame, Twist, for invoking the name of David Lereah.

brucewho - &quot;Ron Paul&#039;s social politics are abysmal&quot; Why? Because he thinks entitlements are a waste? They are a luxury the country cannot and should not afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhh, shame, shame, Twist, for invoking the name of David Lereah.</p>
<p>brucewho &#8211; &#8220;Ron Paul&#8217;s social politics are abysmal&#8221; Why? Because he thinks entitlements are a waste? They are a luxury the country cannot and should not afford.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewho</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10105</link>
		<dc:creator>brucewho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too support Ron Paul.  He like Perot (both RP&#039;s from Texas) are protest candidates with no chance of winning.  I plan to protest this evening at my local caucus.

That said RP is really about &quot;I told you so&quot;.  His prescription is doing away with income tax and government in general. I don&#039;t believe this is realistic.  And his social politics are abismal.  I will say I believe he is the most honest of all the candidates, Obama included and the most direct on issues.

Would I vote for him in a general election?  Well it would have to be as an independant as he has a ghost&#039;s chance in hell of winning the republican nomination.  If he does go independant I would suggest Ralph Nadar as a running mate.  That way they might cancel out each others more disaggreable positions and appeal across a wide swath of America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too support Ron Paul.  He like Perot (both RP&#8217;s from Texas) are protest candidates with no chance of winning.  I plan to protest this evening at my local caucus.</p>
<p>That said RP is really about &#8220;I told you so&#8221;.  His prescription is doing away with income tax and government in general. I don&#8217;t believe this is realistic.  And his social politics are abismal.  I will say I believe he is the most honest of all the candidates, Obama included and the most direct on issues.</p>
<p>Would I vote for him in a general election?  Well it would have to be as an independant as he has a ghost&#8217;s chance in hell of winning the republican nomination.  If he does go independant I would suggest Ralph Nadar as a running mate.  That way they might cancel out each others more disaggreable positions and appeal across a wide swath of America.</p>
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		<title>By: Asset Hunter</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10104</link>
		<dc:creator>Asset Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entropy said ~  &quot;The only candidate who actually understands(and talks honestly about) the looming economic crisis is Ron Paul. He will get my vote and he will not win.&quot;

Reminds me of a couple times I voted for another Texan who fit the same statement...  Ross Perot.

Is either R.P. the perfect canditate?  NO.
But at least someone who will tell the truth for a change would be a big step in the right direction.

My vote for Ross Perot might have helped Clinton get into office...  I don&#039;t know.
I sleep with a clear conscience on that one.

In retrospect, I think that after the Titanic hit the iceberg, did it matter who was steering it or calling for &quot;more power&quot; one hour ago?

Everyone has been screaming for more power while we&#039;ve been heading the wrong direction in this country, and now I realize it probably would not have mattered who I had voted for.  The goal of both parties is basically the same.

Two groups of prostitutes working for different facist pimps.
(Feel free to edit if necessary, Twist)


We&#039;ll see as we get closer to November if I can vote for another R.P. and sleep well again.
(I have 2 GWB votes to repent of and recover from.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entropy said ~  &#8220;The only candidate who actually understands(and talks honestly about) the looming economic crisis is Ron Paul. He will get my vote and he will not win.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reminds me of a couple times I voted for another Texan who fit the same statement&#8230;  Ross Perot.</p>
<p>Is either R.P. the perfect canditate?  NO.<br />
But at least someone who will tell the truth for a change would be a big step in the right direction.</p>
<p>My vote for Ross Perot might have helped Clinton get into office&#8230;  I don&#8217;t know.<br />
I sleep with a clear conscience on that one.</p>
<p>In retrospect, I think that after the Titanic hit the iceberg, did it matter who was steering it or calling for &#8220;more power&#8221; one hour ago?</p>
<p>Everyone has been screaming for more power while we&#8217;ve been heading the wrong direction in this country, and now I realize it probably would not have mattered who I had voted for.  The goal of both parties is basically the same.</p>
<p>Two groups of prostitutes working for different facist pimps.<br />
(Feel free to edit if necessary, Twist)</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see as we get closer to November if I can vote for another R.P. and sleep well again.<br />
(I have 2 GWB votes to repent of and recover from.)</p>
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		<title>By: Yossarian</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10103</link>
		<dc:creator>Yossarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogwalking, coffee shops, retail shoe stores, cell phone distributors, barber shops, restaurants, video arcades, burger stores, fashion stores, computer services, pest control, ditch diggers, roofers, poofers, etc.

Did I forget anyone?

Oh yeah....

And realtors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogwalking, coffee shops, retail shoe stores, cell phone distributors, barber shops, restaurants, video arcades, burger stores, fashion stores, computer services, pest control, ditch diggers, roofers, poofers, etc.</p>
<p>Did I forget anyone?</p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230;.</p>
<p>And realtors.</p>
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		<title>By: Asset Hunter</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10102</link>
		<dc:creator>Asset Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 17:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[So far, they havent come up with a practical way to outsource our housing to Asia.]

How about Asia telling the US to buy a bunch of paper from them, print all the dollars they are holding for redemption, binding them into 3&quot; tall bundles, covering them with mud, drying them in the sun, and using them for the next round of spec home construction?

Anyone with a good punchline as to what effect covering the dollars with mud would do to the actual value of them...  fire away!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[So far, they havent come up with a practical way to outsource our housing to Asia.]</p>
<p>How about Asia telling the US to buy a bunch of paper from them, print all the dollars they are holding for redemption, binding them into 3&#8243; tall bundles, covering them with mud, drying them in the sun, and using them for the next round of spec home construction?</p>
<p>Anyone with a good punchline as to what effect covering the dollars with mud would do to the actual value of them&#8230;  fire away!  <img src='http://housingdoom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10101</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Metro and dfenstrate-

In addition, President Bush was parroting nearly word for word David Lereah on the joys of homeownership.  The government was actively pushing homeownership beyond practical levels.  The housing industry has been a great source of employment and revenue. When other jobs moved overseas, homebuilding remained at home. [&lt;em&gt;So far, they haven&#039;t come up with a practical way to outsource our housing to Asia.&lt;/em&gt;]

I think it was a combination of doing what it shouldn&#039;t and not doing what it should.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Metro and dfenstrate-</p>
<p>In addition, President Bush was parroting nearly word for word David Lereah on the joys of homeownership.  The government was actively pushing homeownership beyond practical levels.  The housing industry has been a great source of employment and revenue. When other jobs moved overseas, homebuilding remained at home. [<em>So far, they haven't come up with a practical way to outsource our housing to Asia.</em>]</p>
<p>I think it was a combination of doing what it shouldn&#8217;t and not doing what it should.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Entropy-

If we could figure out how to elect Hercules, he still wouldn&#039;t be able to hold this mess together.  I don&#039;t know why anyone would want to be president at this point, their name will become synonymous with the greatest economic debacle of our time.

I can&#039;t bring myself to endorse anyone.  When the time comes, I&#039;ll step in the booth, hold my nose, and try and pick the lesser of two evils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Entropy-</p>
<p>If we could figure out how to elect Hercules, he still wouldn&#8217;t be able to hold this mess together.  I don&#8217;t know why anyone would want to be president at this point, their name will become synonymous with the greatest economic debacle of our time.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t bring myself to endorse anyone.  When the time comes, I&#8217;ll step in the booth, hold my nose, and try and pick the lesser of two evils.</p>
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		<title>By: dfenstrate</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/02/05/hillary-clinton-on-foreclosures/#comment-10099</link>
		<dc:creator>dfenstrate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Copied from a rightwingnews.com interview with Thomas Sowell, because it&#039;s relevant:

&lt;i&gt;One of the things was that &lt;b&gt;the Fed lowered the interest rate by a tremendous amount, down to about 1% and under those conditions, many people thought that they could afford to buy a house and in fact&lt;/b&gt;, they could afford to buy a house so long as the interest rates remained low and the housing prices kept rising. (However), markets go up and down and have for centuries, so those who got themselves out on a limb, got themselves in deep trouble in part because of that.

The government was also, at the same time, leaning on lenders to lend to people they would not lend to otherwise, particularly under &lt;b&gt;the Community Reinvestment Act, that empowered politicians to tell lenders that they ought to put so much money here rather than there -- as if politicians know better, which they don&#039;t.&lt;/b&gt; &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Copied from a rightwingnews.com interview with Thomas Sowell, because it&#8217;s relevant:</p>
<p><i>One of the things was that <b>the Fed lowered the interest rate by a tremendous amount, down to about 1% and under those conditions, many people thought that they could afford to buy a house and in fact</b>, they could afford to buy a house so long as the interest rates remained low and the housing prices kept rising. (However), markets go up and down and have for centuries, so those who got themselves out on a limb, got themselves in deep trouble in part because of that.</p>
<p>The government was also, at the same time, leaning on lenders to lend to people they would not lend to otherwise, particularly under <b>the Community Reinvestment Act, that empowered politicians to tell lenders that they ought to put so much money here rather than there &#8212; as if politicians know better, which they don&#8217;t.</b> </i></p>
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		<title>By: Yossarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yossarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s exactly what I was talking about... the services industry (coffee, dog walking, strip mall retail) will contract dramatically.  It&#039;s just starting. This morning, the story&#039;s from bloomberg.  The ISM services index fell ten points
in a month.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=a8HCjIXeA018&amp;refer=home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s exactly what I was talking about&#8230; the services industry (coffee, dog walking, strip mall retail) will contract dramatically.  It&#8217;s just starting. This morning, the story&#8217;s from bloomberg.  The ISM services index fell ten points<br />
in a month.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=a8HCjIXeA018&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=a8HCjIXeA018&#038;refer=home</a></p>
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		<title>By: entropy</title>
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		<dc:creator>entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a fan of President Bush. I want change this election. I am scared of a Democratic president and democratic led house and senate. Our country is insolvent(see David Walker Comptroller of the GAO) and all Clinton and Obama talk about is spending more money for social welfare(universal healthcare, $5000 checks for college for all newborns etc., etc.) when we already can NOT meet the future obligations(baby boomers retiring) currently set to roll over our country like a tsunami. The republicans want to stay in Iraq and win this war....we can NOT afford this either(trillions of dollars). The only candidate who actually understands(and talks honestly about) the looming economic crisis is Ron Paul. He will get my vote and he will not win.

This reminds me of the 1970&#039;s. An unpopular and very expensive war(Viet Nam/Iraq), looming financial crisis(stagflation coined in the 70&#039;s with Jimmy Carter), lack of leadership in our government(always), rapidly increasing energy costs(oil embargo/$100 barrel oil today). It did not end well in the 70&#039;s and it will not end well this time either.

 Clinton/Obama/McCain/Romney....most important election in my lifetime and these are the choices we have....heaven help us, because our government is obviously not up to the task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a fan of President Bush. I want change this election. I am scared of a Democratic president and democratic led house and senate. Our country is insolvent(see David Walker Comptroller of the GAO) and all Clinton and Obama talk about is spending more money for social welfare(universal healthcare, $5000 checks for college for all newborns etc., etc.) when we already can NOT meet the future obligations(baby boomers retiring) currently set to roll over our country like a tsunami. The republicans want to stay in Iraq and win this war&#8230;.we can NOT afford this either(trillions of dollars). The only candidate who actually understands(and talks honestly about) the looming economic crisis is Ron Paul. He will get my vote and he will not win.</p>
<p>This reminds me of the 1970&#8242;s. An unpopular and very expensive war(Viet Nam/Iraq), looming financial crisis(stagflation coined in the 70&#8242;s with Jimmy Carter), lack of leadership in our government(always), rapidly increasing energy costs(oil embargo/$100 barrel oil today). It did not end well in the 70&#8242;s and it will not end well this time either.</p>
<p> Clinton/Obama/McCain/Romney&#8230;.most important election in my lifetime and these are the choices we have&#8230;.heaven help us, because our government is obviously not up to the task.</p>
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		<title>By: metroplexual</title>
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		<dc:creator>metroplexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sorry Senator, but &quot;government action&quot; was the catalyst for &quot;these problems&quot; in the first place.  Youll have to forgive me if Im a little skeptical of the &quot;Keystone Cops&quot; getting it right this time.
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Actually Twist it was &quot;government inaction&quot; that created all of this due to lack of proper oversight.  It was all ideologically driven, and now after our Executive Branch has abdicated its responsibilities it will point back at government and say &quot;See government doesn&#039;t work.&quot;.

That said, I hate all of these schemes to fix the housing market.  Just let the market play out.  Clinton&#039;s plan is crazy because it is the opposite of Bushes, it is too interventionist and will prolong the pain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sorry Senator, but &#8220;government action&#8221; was the catalyst for &#8220;these problems&#8221; in the first place.  Youll have to forgive me if Im a little skeptical of the &#8220;Keystone Cops&#8221; getting it right this time.<br />
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<p>Actually Twist it was &#8220;government inaction&#8221; that created all of this due to lack of proper oversight.  It was all ideologically driven, and now after our Executive Branch has abdicated its responsibilities it will point back at government and say &#8220;See government doesn&#8217;t work.&#8221;.</p>
<p>That said, I hate all of these schemes to fix the housing market.  Just let the market play out.  Clinton&#8217;s plan is crazy because it is the opposite of Bushes, it is too interventionist and will prolong the pain.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 13:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yossarian-

My favorite quote on the sidebar this morning is from Marketwatch:

&lt;em&gt;Plans to fix the mortgage crisis are like belly buttons. Everybody&#039;s got one, and they&#039;re all pretty much useless.&lt;/em&gt;

I think that pretty much sums it up.

[&lt;em&gt;Igor&#039;s word for me:  Ahab, as in Captain&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yossarian-</p>
<p>My favorite quote on the sidebar this morning is from Marketwatch:</p>
<p><em>Plans to fix the mortgage crisis are like belly buttons. Everybody&#8217;s got one, and they&#8217;re all pretty much useless.</em></p>
<p>I think that pretty much sums it up.</p>
<p>[<em>Igor's word for me:  Ahab, as in Captain</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: cfishy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfishy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 08:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support Obama. During the last debate he specifically talked about we need to address that the policy being proposed might end up making it hard for people who haven&#039;t got a house yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Obama. During the last debate he specifically talked about we need to address that the policy being proposed might end up making it hard for people who haven&#8217;t got a house yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Yossarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yossarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 07:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need a recession quite badly. People won&#039;t redeploy capital or start actually saving until they absolutely have to.
  Yes, I agree. Clinton&#039;s plan will do nothing, she wasn&#039;t honest about &#039;sounding the warning&#039;.
  The economy will turn out to be THE issue when the next President takes office.
  Pinning an economy on &#039;unregulated housing starts&#039;, coffee shop &#039;services&#039;,  and financial smoke and mirrors, will turn out to be one of the stupider ideas of the late 20th century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need a recession quite badly. People won&#8217;t redeploy capital or start actually saving until they absolutely have to.<br />
  Yes, I agree. Clinton&#8217;s plan will do nothing, she wasn&#8217;t honest about &#8216;sounding the warning&#8217;.<br />
  The economy will turn out to be THE issue when the next President takes office.<br />
  Pinning an economy on &#8216;unregulated housing starts&#8217;, coffee shop &#8216;services&#8217;,  and financial smoke and mirrors, will turn out to be one of the stupider ideas of the late 20th century.</p>
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