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	<title>Comments on: Phoenix Rise In Home Sales Not &quot;Unexpected&quot; Or &quot;Sign Of Market Bottom&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: azrob</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11122</link>
		<dc:creator>azrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always post the truth under Ms. Reagor&#039;s columns, and suffer attacks for it as well.

Home sales for march are running once again at about 70% of last years march numbers. Inventory is 56700 per mls here, and foreclosures will be about 2000 again in march, keeping the remarkable pace from January and February alive...

But here is the scary part: As of december last year, NTR (notice of trustee sales) had been at max 3500. January and February (March should t00) both saw 5000+. As foreclosure in AZ takes 90 days minimum from NTR date, and have been about 55 to 75% of the 3months prior NTR value, we could now see foreclosures suddenly pick up to 2500 - 3000.

This market is toast...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always post the truth under Ms. Reagor&#8217;s columns, and suffer attacks for it as well.</p>
<p>Home sales for march are running once again at about 70% of last years march numbers. Inventory is 56700 per mls here, and foreclosures will be about 2000 again in march, keeping the remarkable pace from January and February alive&#8230;</p>
<p>But here is the scary part: As of december last year, NTR (notice of trustee sales) had been at max 3500. January and February (March should t00) both saw 5000+. As foreclosure in AZ takes 90 days minimum from NTR date, and have been about 55 to 75% of the 3months prior NTR value, we could now see foreclosures suddenly pick up to 2500 &#8211; 3000.</p>
<p>This market is toast&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richcinaz</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11121</link>
		<dc:creator>Richcinaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reager never met a realtor she didn&#039;t like. I always try to post the facts in the comments section below one of her articles. Most of the time it&#039;s a cut and paste job from somewhere else. One would think she would do a little research first but sadly that isn&#039;t the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reager never met a realtor she didn&#8217;t like. I always try to post the facts in the comments section below one of her articles. Most of the time it&#8217;s a cut and paste job from somewhere else. One would think she would do a little research first but sadly that isn&#8217;t the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11120</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reporting for the National Association of Realtors, I&#039;m Catherine Reager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reporting for the National Association of Realtors, I&#8217;m Catherine Reager.</p>
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		<title>By: metroplexual</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11119</link>
		<dc:creator>metroplexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twist or is it Quix(ote).

My father keeps asking me when I am getting back into housing and he must think I am a nut because I tell him the price reductions are only going to get worse. (Or better if you are one of us.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twist or is it Quix(ote).</p>
<p>My father keeps asking me when I am getting back into housing and he must think I am a nut because I tell him the price reductions are only going to get worse. (Or better if you are one of us.)</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11118</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 14:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebel-

I know what you mean on expectations from the MSM- It&#039;s actually been a few months since I&#039;ve posted the Phoenix listings vs sales graph because I end up thinking, &quot;Twist old girl, you&#039;ve tilted at this windmill enough.&quot;  Then I&#039;ll read the comments in the Republic&#039;s blog, or receive emails from readers and realize that there are people THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE REPUBLIC&#039;S STUFF.

So I strap on the old rusty armor and take another stab at them. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebel-</p>
<p>I know what you mean on expectations from the MSM- It&#8217;s actually been a few months since I&#8217;ve posted the Phoenix listings vs sales graph because I end up thinking, &#8220;Twist old girl, you&#8217;ve tilted at this windmill enough.&#8221;  Then I&#8217;ll read the comments in the Republic&#8217;s blog, or receive emails from readers and realize that there are people THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE REPUBLIC&#8217;S STUFF.</p>
<p>So I strap on the old rusty armor and take another stab at them. : )</p>
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		<title>By: DCBeacon</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11117</link>
		<dc:creator>DCBeacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Rebel!

My wife and I have ben tracking listings in Capitol Hill and Dupont since spring 2006.  While not a scientific method, we&#039;ve sen list prices come down 10-20% so far. We expect them to come down by a third overall, some time between late summer and next spring.

We rent in Silver Spring for $1150/month and are happy to be patient, getting stronger as the market gets weaker.  We&#039;ve been through 5 agents and have learned to tune them out, along with the wishful thinkers who say the DC market is immune to normal market forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Rebel!</p>
<p>My wife and I have ben tracking listings in Capitol Hill and Dupont since spring 2006.  While not a scientific method, we&#8217;ve sen list prices come down 10-20% so far. We expect them to come down by a third overall, some time between late summer and next spring.</p>
<p>We rent in Silver Spring for $1150/month and are happy to be patient, getting stronger as the market gets weaker.  We&#8217;ve been through 5 agents and have learned to tune them out, along with the wishful thinkers who say the DC market is immune to normal market forces.</p>
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		<title>By: metroplexual</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11116</link>
		<dc:creator>metroplexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rebel,

My only comment to you is that my BiL lives 10-12 minutes south of National airport and has taken a hit of nearly 5-10% as per zillow.com. So the arrogance does not come across as genuine.  All areas will experience decline if they had a rapid runup.  So even if you you live in the utopia of Fairfax County you will see depreciation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebel,</p>
<p>My only comment to you is that my BiL lives 10-12 minutes south of National airport and has taken a hit of nearly 5-10% as per zillow.com. So the arrogance does not come across as genuine.  All areas will experience decline if they had a rapid runup.  So even if you you live in the utopia of Fairfax County you will see depreciation.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebel</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11115</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Twist,

Well, I&#039;m in DC now... renting a $700k+ house for $2,500/mo and don&#039;t own a stick of real estate for the first time since 1994.  Since then I&#039;ve owned/sold 20+ houses and read all sorts of books, courses, news articles, etc.

At this point, I hardly ever read the news articles because they are so predictable.  They never consider the big picture and rarely scratch the surface of the truth.  To keep expecting any more than that from these sources is just silly, it ain&#039;t gonna happen.

Here in DC proper prices are slowly falling as inventory builds up, but the average joe is in deep denial.  You see, it&#039;s different here in DC.  It doesn&#039;t matter that the surrounding counties have huge foreclosure and inventory numbers because the law of supply v. demand has been repealed. Prices can not fall because there are too many high paid gov&#039;t employees and contractors... at least that&#039;s what they say when they don&#039;t remember the late &#039;80s and early &#039;90s.

Many people speculate on what would have to happen for prices to really drop here... terrorism, riots, etc.  They are way off.  The biggest threat to the DC housing market, and the DC economy in general, is a balanced federal budget.  In the absence of that, we&#039;ll just have to let time chip away at the median price month-by-month until the rent v. buy decision takes more than 1/2 second to make.

Hope TX is treating you well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Twist,</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m in DC now&#8230; renting a $700k+ house for $2,500/mo and don&#8217;t own a stick of real estate for the first time since 1994.  Since then I&#8217;ve owned/sold 20+ houses and read all sorts of books, courses, news articles, etc.</p>
<p>At this point, I hardly ever read the news articles because they are so predictable.  They never consider the big picture and rarely scratch the surface of the truth.  To keep expecting any more than that from these sources is just silly, it ain&#8217;t gonna happen.</p>
<p>Here in DC proper prices are slowly falling as inventory builds up, but the average joe is in deep denial.  You see, it&#8217;s different here in DC.  It doesn&#8217;t matter that the surrounding counties have huge foreclosure and inventory numbers because the law of supply v. demand has been repealed. Prices can not fall because there are too many high paid gov&#8217;t employees and contractors&#8230; at least that&#8217;s what they say when they don&#8217;t remember the late &#8217;80s and early &#8217;90s.</p>
<p>Many people speculate on what would have to happen for prices to really drop here&#8230; terrorism, riots, etc.  They are way off.  The biggest threat to the DC housing market, and the DC economy in general, is a balanced federal budget.  In the absence of that, we&#8217;ll just have to let time chip away at the median price month-by-month until the rent v. buy decision takes more than 1/2 second to make.</p>
<p>Hope TX is treating you well!</p>
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		<title>By: entropy</title>
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		<dc:creator>entropy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be adventurous and call bottom....of integrity that is. I fear I may be early on my call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be adventurous and call bottom&#8230;.of integrity that is. I fear I may be early on my call.</p>
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		<title>By: WizeOne</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11113</link>
		<dc:creator>WizeOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 18:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that prices still have a lot more to drop before the bottom even becomes near.  Some bottom feeders are picking up some super bargains and handyman specials at the bottom of the price lists, but the average buyers are not yet coming into the mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that prices still have a lot more to drop before the bottom even becomes near.  Some bottom feeders are picking up some super bargains and handyman specials at the bottom of the price lists, but the average buyers are not yet coming into the mix.</p>
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		<title>By: NVmike</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11112</link>
		<dc:creator>NVmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve hit bottom!
We&#039;ve hit bottom!

LOL.

These (ahem) &quot;experts&quot; - experts whose livelihoods depend on an upturn! - probably don&#039;t realize how foolish they look calling these false bottoms every few months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve hit bottom!<br />
We&#8217;ve hit bottom!</p>
<p>LOL.</p>
<p>These (ahem) &#8220;experts&#8221; &#8211; experts whose livelihoods depend on an upturn! &#8211; probably don&#8217;t realize how foolish they look calling these false bottoms every few months.</p>
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		<title>By: agnostic</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/03/26/phoenix-market-not-at-the-bottom/#comment-11111</link>
		<dc:creator>agnostic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s nothing more to say against Reagor&#039;s reporting other than anybody that believes they are entering the housing market at a moment of opportunity deserves what they get. If you&#039;re reading this Cathy, how about some reporting about how the builders here set up appraisers for loan qualifications. Oops, forgot, nobody at the Repugnant wants another Don Bolles experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s nothing more to say against Reagor&#8217;s reporting other than anybody that believes they are entering the housing market at a moment of opportunity deserves what they get. If you&#8217;re reading this Cathy, how about some reporting about how the builders here set up appraisers for loan qualifications. Oops, forgot, nobody at the Repugnant wants another Don Bolles experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Yossarian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yossarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand taking a bribe... it puts money in your pocket, and gas in your tank.  And as long as it&#039;s not too blatant, nobody cares much.
  But holy smokes, Batman!  Reagor once again risks public embarrassment and obloquy, at a minimum.
  I mean really... I guess she feels that she has no reputation left to shred.
  She has to be able to read a graph... right?  Right?
  Meanwhile up in Portland, the top headline news is the Case-Schiller numbers...&quot;Portland Home Values Drop for the First Time&quot;. They of course mean &#039;the first time since 1987, when Portland was included in the CS numbers.  It of course is NOT the first time.
   I thought this far into the housing disaster, people would have stopped drinking the kool-aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand taking a bribe&#8230; it puts money in your pocket, and gas in your tank.  And as long as it&#8217;s not too blatant, nobody cares much.<br />
  But holy smokes, Batman!  Reagor once again risks public embarrassment and obloquy, at a minimum.<br />
  I mean really&#8230; I guess she feels that she has no reputation left to shred.<br />
  She has to be able to read a graph&#8230; right?  Right?<br />
  Meanwhile up in Portland, the top headline news is the Case-Schiller numbers&#8230;&#8221;Portland Home Values Drop for the First Time&#8221;. They of course mean &#8216;the first time since 1987, when Portland was included in the CS numbers.  It of course is NOT the first time.<br />
   I thought this far into the housing disaster, people would have stopped drinking the kool-aid.</p>
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