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		<title>By: sandman</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/04/29/financing-got-tougher-for-real-estate-investors/#comment-11806</link>
		<dc:creator>sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>foreclosure expert:  Excellent blog, thanks for all the good insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>foreclosure expert:  Excellent blog, thanks for all the good insight.</p>
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		<title>By: speedynogales</title>
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		<dc:creator>speedynogales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo Hoo is right!  Tissue, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo Hoo is right!  Tissue, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: foreclosure_expert</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/04/29/financing-got-tougher-for-real-estate-investors/#comment-11804</link>
		<dc:creator>foreclosure_expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The appraisal process may get even tougher for those loans that they WILL consider. However, the following proposal should have been the practice all along:

http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/04/fannie-proposes.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The appraisal process may get even tougher for those loans that they WILL consider. However, the following proposal should have been the practice all along:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/04/fannie-proposes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/04/fannie-proposes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Apparently falling prices are a bigger risk factor than the borrower’s ability to repay.&quot;

Bingo!  The Bozos who modeled these risk profiles finally figured out that they forgot to consider negative equity.  As it turns out there have been very few instances (California, Texas) where nominal (not real) negative equity had previously occurred.  And those losses were offset by stronger markets elsewhere.  As it turns out even good borrowers become a significant payment risk when they have negative equity.  Whoops. :)

The M/I companies are simply recasting their risk models with the consideration (probability) that some of the previoiusly hot markets have much further to drop.  Investor mortgages are a much higher risk anyway, even without declining prices.

For those that &quot;saved their powder&quot; and can afford 20% down, there will be plenty of opportunites in the year ahead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Apparently falling prices are a bigger risk factor than the borrower’s ability to repay.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bingo!  The Bozos who modeled these risk profiles finally figured out that they forgot to consider negative equity.  As it turns out there have been very few instances (California, Texas) where nominal (not real) negative equity had previously occurred.  And those losses were offset by stronger markets elsewhere.  As it turns out even good borrowers become a significant payment risk when they have negative equity.  Whoops. <img src='http://housingdoom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The M/I companies are simply recasting their risk models with the consideration (probability) that some of the previoiusly hot markets have much further to drop.  Investor mortgages are a much higher risk anyway, even without declining prices.</p>
<p>For those that &#8220;saved their powder&#8221; and can afford 20% down, there will be plenty of opportunites in the year ahead.</p>
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		<title>By: billydlight</title>
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		<dc:creator>billydlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got some numbers Friday for any Montana pple. It was not published anywhere. They keep a good gag here. The President/leader of Gallatin Valley Assoc. of Realtors slipped on an AM radio show.She said sales were down 33% in &#039;07 from &#039;06. Of course a virus killed my excel sheet w/ harddrive couple weeks ago, but, and there is always a big but,my median price calcs was close. I called in during their BUY Now speil. Prices down, options up. I asked what the med price was. She actually hesitated and then said, &quot;For a single family home...$419,000.&quot; I shizam you not. We are 49th in med income in US. W.O.W. Positive spin: When we are done living in boxcars, there will be some REALLY nice houses for sale at our 35K avg income. Granite is the new Formica.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got some numbers Friday for any Montana pple. It was not published anywhere. They keep a good gag here. The President/leader of Gallatin Valley Assoc. of Realtors slipped on an AM radio show.She said sales were down 33% in &#8217;07 from &#8217;06. Of course a virus killed my excel sheet w/ harddrive couple weeks ago, but, and there is always a big but,my median price calcs was close. I called in during their BUY Now speil. Prices down, options up. I asked what the med price was. She actually hesitated and then said, &#8220;For a single family home&#8230;$419,000.&#8221; I shizam you not. We are 49th in med income in US. W.O.W. Positive spin: When we are done living in boxcars, there will be some REALLY nice houses for sale at our 35K avg income. Granite is the new Formica.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agnostic-

Insurance companies have always played by the numbers, charging according to sex, age, smoking/non, etc. They don&#039;t like to gamble, really- they want the numbers in their favor.

This must say something about the default rate for investor loans. If they could make money insuring some of them, I imagine they would.  The numbers must be telling them these loans are too risky.

Apparently falling prices are a bigger risk factor than the borrower&#039;s ability to repay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agnostic-</p>
<p>Insurance companies have always played by the numbers, charging according to sex, age, smoking/non, etc. They don&#8217;t like to gamble, really- they want the numbers in their favor.</p>
<p>This must say something about the default rate for investor loans. If they could make money insuring some of them, I imagine they would.  The numbers must be telling them these loans are too risky.</p>
<p>Apparently falling prices are a bigger risk factor than the borrower&#8217;s ability to repay.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/04/29/financing-got-tougher-for-real-estate-investors/#comment-11800</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boo-Hoo.  People buying &#039;investment&#039; properties in this market with borrowed money are not investing, they&#039;re speculating.  All &#039;flippers&#039; are speculators.  In this market, the banks want no part of that, and rightfully so.

I&#039;ll go all in pre-flop on 7/2 with your money, but I&#039;ll hold out for pocket aces if I&#039;m playing with my own.  Poker gets a lot more serious when you&#039;re playing with your own money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo-Hoo.  People buying &#8216;investment&#8217; properties in this market with borrowed money are not investing, they&#8217;re speculating.  All &#8216;flippers&#8217; are speculators.  In this market, the banks want no part of that, and rightfully so.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll go all in pre-flop on 7/2 with your money, but I&#8217;ll hold out for pocket aces if I&#8217;m playing with my own.  Poker gets a lot more serious when you&#8217;re playing with your own money.</p>
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		<title>By: agnostic</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/04/29/financing-got-tougher-for-real-estate-investors/#comment-11799</link>
		<dc:creator>agnostic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From time to time I wish I had some snappy numbers to put up on this board, instead of sweeping general statements, but, here&#039;s another of the latter:

For all we heard about how things were different this time, about how the mortgage  professionals and investors alike were smarter than before, about how risk was being better distributed and placed through &quot;innovative&quot; &quot;products,&quot; the actions accompanying both the greed on the way up and fear on the way down are CLASSIC historical examples about boom/bust mentality. Specifically in this matter, United Guaranty adopting this policy while seemingly ignoring the ability of the borrower to pay, regardless of the future direction of the market,(which, of course, I still believe in the near term is down), seems to be ignorant at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From time to time I wish I had some snappy numbers to put up on this board, instead of sweeping general statements, but, here&#8217;s another of the latter:</p>
<p>For all we heard about how things were different this time, about how the mortgage  professionals and investors alike were smarter than before, about how risk was being better distributed and placed through &#8220;innovative&#8221; &#8220;products,&#8221; the actions accompanying both the greed on the way up and fear on the way down are CLASSIC historical examples about boom/bust mentality. Specifically in this matter, United Guaranty adopting this policy while seemingly ignoring the ability of the borrower to pay, regardless of the future direction of the market,(which, of course, I still believe in the near term is down), seems to be ignorant at best.</p>
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