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		<title>By: jacque</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11925</link>
		<dc:creator>jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 02:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry it took so long for me to post an update, but things got a little crazy for awhile. The good news is, the loan finally funded and all the checks were issued. But getting there was a nightmare. After getting the runaround, I finally did the research and called the title company, and the bank which was buying the loan and funding it. As it turned out the finance company lied to me, saying they were a direct lender when in fact they were a mortgage broker. I also filed a complaint with Florida&#039;s Department of Finance.
After speaking with the title company and the bank, I got a call from the President of the finance company. He had the nerve to say to me, that by me making this calls, I may be delaying the funding even further because it may cause the bank to want to take another look at the loan. I told him that I had given them enough time, and that his word was not good enough anymore. I also let him know that living in Broward county, I hear the horror stories every day about fraudulant loans and people ending up with two banks they are liable to when they never actually received the funds from the refinance. I pretty much told him, without saying it flat out, that I thought he was full of it, and I would be ready to take legal action if he did not give me a daily report and also have the funding in my account within four business days. I did have the disbursement checks within 2 days and by the fourth day all the wire transfers had cleared.
I also let the bank (which happens to be a major national bank) know about the practices of this particular mortgage broker and that I thought it might be in their best interest to check into their practices, as I was sure they did not want their name or their reputation associated with companies that lie and deceive their clients. I doubt any of this will do me any good in the long run, but it may keep some other person from having to go through the same nightmare as I did. Especially if the state takes my claim seriously and looks into the practices of this lender.
The only nightmare left now is that, because it took so long to fund this loan, and even though I asked them to relook at my debts, they issued the disbursement checks based on old information. Most of the smaller amounts had been paid off and the accounts closed at my request. So when I got the checks, many of them were made out to companies I no longer have accounts with, which means I have to wait till they get the check, they cash it, than they issue me a refund, which could take up to 2 more months. Also, the ones for my credit cards are all higher than what I currently owe, so I guess I will be putting everything on charge cards now to spend the credit, rather than waiting for a refund check. Thanks again for all the help and support.
Jacque</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry it took so long for me to post an update, but things got a little crazy for awhile. The good news is, the loan finally funded and all the checks were issued. But getting there was a nightmare. After getting the runaround, I finally did the research and called the title company, and the bank which was buying the loan and funding it. As it turned out the finance company lied to me, saying they were a direct lender when in fact they were a mortgage broker. I also filed a complaint with Florida&#8217;s Department of Finance.<br />
After speaking with the title company and the bank, I got a call from the President of the finance company. He had the nerve to say to me, that by me making this calls, I may be delaying the funding even further because it may cause the bank to want to take another look at the loan. I told him that I had given them enough time, and that his word was not good enough anymore. I also let him know that living in Broward county, I hear the horror stories every day about fraudulant loans and people ending up with two banks they are liable to when they never actually received the funds from the refinance. I pretty much told him, without saying it flat out, that I thought he was full of it, and I would be ready to take legal action if he did not give me a daily report and also have the funding in my account within four business days. I did have the disbursement checks within 2 days and by the fourth day all the wire transfers had cleared.<br />
I also let the bank (which happens to be a major national bank) know about the practices of this particular mortgage broker and that I thought it might be in their best interest to check into their practices, as I was sure they did not want their name or their reputation associated with companies that lie and deceive their clients. I doubt any of this will do me any good in the long run, but it may keep some other person from having to go through the same nightmare as I did. Especially if the state takes my claim seriously and looks into the practices of this lender.<br />
The only nightmare left now is that, because it took so long to fund this loan, and even though I asked them to relook at my debts, they issued the disbursement checks based on old information. Most of the smaller amounts had been paid off and the accounts closed at my request. So when I got the checks, many of them were made out to companies I no longer have accounts with, which means I have to wait till they get the check, they cash it, than they issue me a refund, which could take up to 2 more months. Also, the ones for my credit cards are all higher than what I currently owe, so I guess I will be putting everything on charge cards now to spend the credit, rather than waiting for a refund check. Thanks again for all the help and support.<br />
Jacque</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11924</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 14:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque, If it is only for 35% LTV what does &quot;declining value assignment&quot; have to do with a reason for not funding?  If you had done this last year the LTV would have been 28% which is irrelevant in your case.  Reality nothing changes in underwriting requirements or pricing below 65% LTV.

Last year rates were higher, remember FF was at 5.25% at this time, today it is at 2.00%   The benefit of lower rates are lower house prices and vs versa. Affordability is improving in all markets.

I am glad you are keeping current. Let us know when the loan is recorded.

Good luck and keep us informed, we can all learn from others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque, If it is only for 35% LTV what does &#8220;declining value assignment&#8221; have to do with a reason for not funding?  If you had done this last year the LTV would have been 28% which is irrelevant in your case.  Reality nothing changes in underwriting requirements or pricing below 65% LTV.</p>
<p>Last year rates were higher, remember FF was at 5.25% at this time, today it is at 2.00%   The benefit of lower rates are lower house prices and vs versa. Affordability is improving in all markets.</p>
<p>I am glad you are keeping current. Let us know when the loan is recorded.</p>
<p>Good luck and keep us informed, we can all learn from others.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11923</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque-

Be sure and keep us updated.  We&#039;ll keep our fingers crossed for you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque-</p>
<p>Be sure and keep us updated.  We&#8217;ll keep our fingers crossed for you!</p>
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		<title>By: jacque</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11922</link>
		<dc:creator>jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 13:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all your help. Yes, I have been keeping current on all my other debts. Actually, I went into sum other funds and paid off all my small credit cards. I haven&#039;t miss any payments with anyone including the current loan holder. This is just a refinance and for only about 35% of the current market value. If I had done this a year ago, it would have been a breeze since where I live, the appraised value of the homes has dropped more than the 7.7% which is the average in South Florida today. The whole purpose of this refinance is the rate is much lower now than the rate I am currently paying, and to take out a small amount of equity that is in the house. But, I have been in constant contact with the Lending Company and the money the money should be wired into my account sometime early today. They already know that I am about to file a complaint with the State Attorney&#039;s Office, and will take it to an attorney if the money isn&#039;t there today. So they have a few more hours to prove that what they told me was not a song and dance

P.S. Thanks for posting this for me Twist, and I love your anti spam words. They are so appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your help. Yes, I have been keeping current on all my other debts. Actually, I went into sum other funds and paid off all my small credit cards. I haven&#8217;t miss any payments with anyone including the current loan holder. This is just a refinance and for only about 35% of the current market value. If I had done this a year ago, it would have been a breeze since where I live, the appraised value of the homes has dropped more than the 7.7% which is the average in South Florida today. The whole purpose of this refinance is the rate is much lower now than the rate I am currently paying, and to take out a small amount of equity that is in the house. But, I have been in constant contact with the Lending Company and the money the money should be wired into my account sometime early today. They already know that I am about to file a complaint with the State Attorney&#8217;s Office, and will take it to an attorney if the money isn&#8217;t there today. So they have a few more hours to prove that what they told me was not a song and dance</p>
<p>P.S. Thanks for posting this for me Twist, and I love your anti spam words. They are so appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11921</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 11:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque-

I knew our posters would have some great suggestions for you- they are a smart group. I still think though, that it sounds like you could use an attorney, considering what is on the line here.

An attorney may seem like an expensive investment, but sometimes you have to ask yourself, &quot;What could this cost me without one?&quot;

This sounds like it could potentially be a very expensive problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque-</p>
<p>I knew our posters would have some great suggestions for you- they are a smart group. I still think though, that it sounds like you could use an attorney, considering what is on the line here.</p>
<p>An attorney may seem like an expensive investment, but sometimes you have to ask yourself, &#8220;What could this cost me without one?&#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds like it could potentially be a very expensive problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Captain Ned</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11920</link>
		<dc:creator>Captain Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my home state (VT), statutory law requires lenders to disburse closing funds at the time of closing for purchase transactions and no later than 2:00 PM on the day after the end of recission on recission transactions.  Period.  End of sentence.

Lenders used to California-style multi-week escrows will end up in court here in VT for failure to timely disburse.  Lenders don&#039;t get a week or so to review the docs to ensure they&#039;re &quot;OK&quot;; they have to have the money to the customer when the customer expects the money.  They&#039;ve got until 2:00 PM on the fourth day to pay up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my home state (VT), statutory law requires lenders to disburse closing funds at the time of closing for purchase transactions and no later than 2:00 PM on the day after the end of recission on recission transactions.  Period.  End of sentence.</p>
<p>Lenders used to California-style multi-week escrows will end up in court here in VT for failure to timely disburse.  Lenders don&#8217;t get a week or so to review the docs to ensure they&#8217;re &#8220;OK&#8221;; they have to have the money to the customer when the customer expects the money.  They&#8217;ve got until 2:00 PM on the fourth day to pay up.</p>
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		<title>By: freemonster</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11919</link>
		<dc:creator>freemonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 22:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a lotta help going on here. There must be someone as unlucky as me. Is it at all possible that things are so screwed up that mortgage insurance companies are just waiting for now. Does anyone have a percentange of closed deals vs normal? I heard 2 weeks ago in LV Trump towers only had one closing so far. don&#039;t know if that&#039;s accurate but those are big buck units with big buck buyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a lotta help going on here. There must be someone as unlucky as me. Is it at all possible that things are so screwed up that mortgage insurance companies are just waiting for now. Does anyone have a percentange of closed deals vs normal? I heard 2 weeks ago in LV Trump towers only had one closing so far. don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s accurate but those are big buck units with big buck buyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11918</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque,  declining markets designation is NOT made by a lender but the MI companies.  Mortgage insurance companies which all lenders need to protect themselves.  They hate it as much as anyone.

Broward was on the already on the list on March 10th 2008.  All lenders use zip codes for this to sell (package) the loan.  The Buyer of the loan does not have anything to do with this.

https://www.ugcorp.com/rates/DecliningMarketsList03102008.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque,  declining markets designation is NOT made by a lender but the MI companies.  Mortgage insurance companies which all lenders need to protect themselves.  They hate it as much as anyone.</p>
<p>Broward was on the already on the list on March 10th 2008.  All lenders use zip codes for this to sell (package) the loan.  The Buyer of the loan does not have anything to do with this.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.ugcorp.com/rates/DecliningMarketsList03102008.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.ugcorp.com/rates/DecliningMarketsList03102008.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11917</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jacque,  I recall Broward went into a declining market classification in December of 2007.  I do not know your specifics but the buyer of the loan is looking at the Zip code and is buying Debt backed &quot;with and by&quot; collateral.

It is your &quot;collateral&quot; that is in the declining market not the lenders place of business.  Collateral is what is killing most loans as they do not meet required values for the amount of loans requested.

Are you current on you debts?  You mentioned they had not received payment. You must keep them current and not overlap payments. Payments are your responsibility.

I am not sure who you are talking with but he sounds clueless and stringing you on hope until you get fed up and walk.  Since you have extra assets, why not lower the loan amount by 5%.  Problem solved.

Something does not sound right.  I do not know the whole story and guessing.  There are many moving parts.  Start by figuring out your qualifying income given your true circumstances.  Use a 24month average income both on your closed trust and investments as reported on your 1040.  You can not use capital gains, only div and interest from the trust is yours.  Sounds like the income stream is not under your control.  The trust is your asset but protected in a foreclosure and not really &quot;your&quot; liquidatable asset the lender sees as protection for his loan.  ie the name &quot;irrevocable&quot; no one, not even the beneficiary can change the structure unless it is stated in the trust.

In Florida the only protection is the collateral and that is the &quot;non movable&quot; Real asset. Your colateral is listed in Boward county so logic you post does not follow. The lender uses Zip codes to approve loans and the fact that someone says, &quot;just realized&quot; makes no sense.

The words you use make it sound like a private deal and not institutional money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jacque,  I recall Broward went into a declining market classification in December of 2007.  I do not know your specifics but the buyer of the loan is looking at the Zip code and is buying Debt backed &#8220;with and by&#8221; collateral.</p>
<p>It is your &#8220;collateral&#8221; that is in the declining market not the lenders place of business.  Collateral is what is killing most loans as they do not meet required values for the amount of loans requested.</p>
<p>Are you current on you debts?  You mentioned they had not received payment. You must keep them current and not overlap payments. Payments are your responsibility.</p>
<p>I am not sure who you are talking with but he sounds clueless and stringing you on hope until you get fed up and walk.  Since you have extra assets, why not lower the loan amount by 5%.  Problem solved.</p>
<p>Something does not sound right.  I do not know the whole story and guessing.  There are many moving parts.  Start by figuring out your qualifying income given your true circumstances.  Use a 24month average income both on your closed trust and investments as reported on your 1040.  You can not use capital gains, only div and interest from the trust is yours.  Sounds like the income stream is not under your control.  The trust is your asset but protected in a foreclosure and not really &#8220;your&#8221; liquidatable asset the lender sees as protection for his loan.  ie the name &#8220;irrevocable&#8221; no one, not even the beneficiary can change the structure unless it is stated in the trust.</p>
<p>In Florida the only protection is the collateral and that is the &#8220;non movable&#8221; Real asset. Your colateral is listed in Boward county so logic you post does not follow. The lender uses Zip codes to approve loans and the fact that someone says, &#8220;just realized&#8221; makes no sense.</p>
<p>The words you use make it sound like a private deal and not institutional money.</p>
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		<title>By: speedynogales</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11916</link>
		<dc:creator>speedynogales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with NVmike, you better get an attorney on it ASAP before you are so screwed you don&#039;t know what to do.  Something sounds VERY fishy with your undersea TALE.  Things just don&#039;t quite add up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with NVmike, you better get an attorney on it ASAP before you are so screwed you don&#8217;t know what to do.  Something sounds VERY fishy with your undersea TALE.  Things just don&#8217;t quite add up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: NVmike</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11915</link>
		<dc:creator>NVmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What I would love to know though is what the law in Florida is on this.&lt;/i&gt;

Why haven&#039;t you contacted an attorney yet? Initial consultations, which may be all you need to be adequately briefed on the law, are usually free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What I would love to know though is what the law in Florida is on this.</i></p>
<p>Why haven&#8217;t you contacted an attorney yet? Initial consultations, which may be all you need to be adequately briefed on the law, are usually free.</p>
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		<title>By: jacque</title>
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		<dc:creator>jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Coffee:

I just got off the phone with the Finance Company.
Apparently some of what you say is exactly what happened. I live in Broward County, which is now considered a declining market. After they approved my loan, which they had a buyer for, the buyer realized it was in Broward and could not fund the loan directly, so the transfers had to be reversed and resubmitted directly to the Finance company, which in turn is now in the process of redoing the transfers. In other words, the people with the money could not legally finance the loan because of the housing situation in Broward, so instead they had to lend the money to the Mortgage Company, who in turn will then transfer the money to me. It sounds a little shady if you ask me, but I do know they are not lying about the declining housing market in Broward and that it has affected mortgages in the past month. Just my luck the changes went into effect one day too early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Coffee:</p>
<p>I just got off the phone with the Finance Company.<br />
Apparently some of what you say is exactly what happened. I live in Broward County, which is now considered a declining market. After they approved my loan, which they had a buyer for, the buyer realized it was in Broward and could not fund the loan directly, so the transfers had to be reversed and resubmitted directly to the Finance company, which in turn is now in the process of redoing the transfers. In other words, the people with the money could not legally finance the loan because of the housing situation in Broward, so instead they had to lend the money to the Mortgage Company, who in turn will then transfer the money to me. It sounds a little shady if you ask me, but I do know they are not lying about the declining housing market in Broward and that it has affected mortgages in the past month. Just my luck the changes went into effect one day too early.</p>
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		<title>By: freemonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>freemonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scarier by the minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarier by the minute.</p>
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		<title>By: toysarefun</title>
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		<dc:creator>toysarefun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be because of this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/business/05lend.html?_r=2&amp;ref=business&amp;oref=slogin&amp;oref=slogin

Basically they&#039;re out scapegoating as always.  I get so tired of it, it&#039;s very antiproductive and look how much time and effort America puts into those kinds of behaviors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be because of this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/business/05lend.html?_r=2&#038;ref=business&#038;oref=slogin&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/05/business/05lend.html?_r=2&#038;ref=business&#038;oref=slogin&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
<p>Basically they&#8217;re out scapegoating as always.  I get so tired of it, it&#8217;s very antiproductive and look how much time and effort America puts into those kinds of behaviors.</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>last comment, read your bold letter post again.

Part of ALL AUDITS is to verify that the correct insurance is in place.  The clause is changed weeks ahead of time. Does not mean anything to you but everything to the lender.  What happens if you get struck by a fire 24 hours after funding?  This will revert back if funding does not take place.  This is a simple book keeping type done by your insurance company on the DEC page.  Again this is an intention not the facts.

All good loan officers tell all clients to continue to make all debt payments until funding takes place.

I can not tell you how many clients have missed a mortgage payment thinking their refinance would fund before their new payment was due destroying their credit and ability to refinance.

Part of many audits is &quot;last mortgage payment verification&quot; if over 30 days has past on funding, especially on seconds liens.  Credit reports are late reporting so the audit will catch this.

I hope you have not missed any debt payments or you are now really cooked... as they say. Your new credit profile will decline below 680 and a cash out will not be allowed unless you go to hard money.

Your advisor has all the facts or is just a front desk salesman and not a true consultant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>last comment, read your bold letter post again.</p>
<p>Part of ALL AUDITS is to verify that the correct insurance is in place.  The clause is changed weeks ahead of time. Does not mean anything to you but everything to the lender.  What happens if you get struck by a fire 24 hours after funding?  This will revert back if funding does not take place.  This is a simple book keeping type done by your insurance company on the DEC page.  Again this is an intention not the facts.</p>
<p>All good loan officers tell all clients to continue to make all debt payments until funding takes place.</p>
<p>I can not tell you how many clients have missed a mortgage payment thinking their refinance would fund before their new payment was due destroying their credit and ability to refinance.</p>
<p>Part of many audits is &#8220;last mortgage payment verification&#8221; if over 30 days has past on funding, especially on seconds liens.  Credit reports are late reporting so the audit will catch this.</p>
<p>I hope you have not missed any debt payments or you are now really cooked&#8230; as they say. Your new credit profile will decline below 680 and a cash out will not be allowed unless you go to hard money.</p>
<p>Your advisor has all the facts or is just a front desk salesman and not a true consultant.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobby</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11910</link>
		<dc:creator>Tobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Florida when REFINANCING an owner occupied home there is the three day rescission period during which the borrower or the bank can reverse the loan.  This does not occur for owner occupied PURCHASES and investment properties.  If the lender never provided signed closing papers then the closing is at this time not complete.  Only you have signed the papers.  This is common.  While I do not know the particulars of your loan program they do change on a daily basis.  It is possible that this lender got caught flat-footed and now needs more information in order to sell the loan.  I would suggest contacting the Division of Financial Institutions if it is a bank or credit union at
http://www.flofr.com/banking/index.htm

or the Division of Finance if it is a mortgage broker or correspondent lender at
http://www.flofr.com/Finance/index.htm

Also you stated &quot;...the rest is invested in where it draws more than twice as much as the interest on the loan.&quot;  Can you tell us where one can get double the mortgage rate (12%?) interest on our investments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Florida when REFINANCING an owner occupied home there is the three day rescission period during which the borrower or the bank can reverse the loan.  This does not occur for owner occupied PURCHASES and investment properties.  If the lender never provided signed closing papers then the closing is at this time not complete.  Only you have signed the papers.  This is common.  While I do not know the particulars of your loan program they do change on a daily basis.  It is possible that this lender got caught flat-footed and now needs more information in order to sell the loan.  I would suggest contacting the Division of Financial Institutions if it is a bank or credit union at<br />
<a href="http://www.flofr.com/banking/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.flofr.com/banking/index.htm</a></p>
<p>or the Division of Finance if it is a mortgage broker or correspondent lender at<br />
<a href="http://www.flofr.com/Finance/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.flofr.com/Finance/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Also you stated &#8220;&#8230;the rest is invested in where it draws more than twice as much as the interest on the loan.&#8221;  Can you tell us where one can get double the mortgage rate (12%?) interest on our investments?</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11909</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The three day &quot;rescission period&quot; is a federal law that has been in place for over 40 years. It is the mutual audit period.  By signing documents nothing but intention takes place, it is not judicial. You have no case.

Wall street is requiring stronger audit procedures on lenders since they will ultimately buy the loan. The lender will verbally verify jobs and verify all the documents supplied for fraud during these three days. Nothing is real until FUNDING. Some consider it only real when recording takes place.  You have nothing but an good verified and real &quot;intention&quot; to fund. The lender wants to fund as badly as you do. No funding no fees.

If it does not meet stated guidelines wall street will not buy the loan.  So in turn the lender will not fund the loan.

Only in Purchases and in an investment refinance the time allowed for audits are different.  I do not think Florida is a &quot;table funding state&quot; (like PA) so you will always have about 24-48 hours before a recording can take place.

When mortgage companies close their doors overnight, all their loans, even purchases are dead if recording has not taken place. Tens of Thousands of loans have stayed at the title company and never funded. Nothing a buyer a refinance client or Mtg Broker can do.

I am not sure if you are dealing with a Mortgage broker/banker or direct retail lender. The best is to always deal with a licensed mortgage broker so he can transfer the file to another lender fast. Your Loan officer should know what is holding up funding.

Someone is not telling you the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three day &#8220;rescission period&#8221; is a federal law that has been in place for over 40 years. It is the mutual audit period.  By signing documents nothing but intention takes place, it is not judicial. You have no case.</p>
<p>Wall street is requiring stronger audit procedures on lenders since they will ultimately buy the loan. The lender will verbally verify jobs and verify all the documents supplied for fraud during these three days. Nothing is real until FUNDING. Some consider it only real when recording takes place.  You have nothing but an good verified and real &#8220;intention&#8221; to fund. The lender wants to fund as badly as you do. No funding no fees.</p>
<p>If it does not meet stated guidelines wall street will not buy the loan.  So in turn the lender will not fund the loan.</p>
<p>Only in Purchases and in an investment refinance the time allowed for audits are different.  I do not think Florida is a &#8220;table funding state&#8221; (like PA) so you will always have about 24-48 hours before a recording can take place.</p>
<p>When mortgage companies close their doors overnight, all their loans, even purchases are dead if recording has not taken place. Tens of Thousands of loans have stayed at the title company and never funded. Nothing a buyer a refinance client or Mtg Broker can do.</p>
<p>I am not sure if you are dealing with a Mortgage broker/banker or direct retail lender. The best is to always deal with a licensed mortgage broker so he can transfer the file to another lender fast. Your Loan officer should know what is holding up funding.</p>
<p>Someone is not telling you the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11908</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refinances are different than Purchase loans.  ALL refinances have a mandated three day recession period.  You can review the loan and decline to accept it.  The lenders use these three days to audit and verify all is as disclosed. &quot;Speak now or forever hold your peace&quot;.

Sounds like the lender had your loan flagged for review.  It is an underwriter&#039;s decision to accept income as stated and verified by your Trust.  How the trust is set up is key to your cash flow. Since it is an irrevocable trust the actual income stream needs to meet the acceptable debt ratio&#039;s for the loan.

With credit scores above 720 and 6 months reserves with a 70% LTV you probably can get up to 57% debt to income.  It is &quot;all&quot; about LTV you are asking.

Without all your specifics it is hard to know if your loan is acceptable.  At 85% LTV you would need 6 months reserves, 680minimum average and a maximum of 40% DTI.

Florida is considered a &quot;Declining&quot; market so LTV might get another 5% LTV hit to guidelines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refinances are different than Purchase loans.  ALL refinances have a mandated three day recession period.  You can review the loan and decline to accept it.  The lenders use these three days to audit and verify all is as disclosed. &#8220;Speak now or forever hold your peace&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sounds like the lender had your loan flagged for review.  It is an underwriter&#8217;s decision to accept income as stated and verified by your Trust.  How the trust is set up is key to your cash flow. Since it is an irrevocable trust the actual income stream needs to meet the acceptable debt ratio&#8217;s for the loan.</p>
<p>With credit scores above 720 and 6 months reserves with a 70% LTV you probably can get up to 57% debt to income.  It is &#8220;all&#8221; about LTV you are asking.</p>
<p>Without all your specifics it is hard to know if your loan is acceptable.  At 85% LTV you would need 6 months reserves, 680minimum average and a maximum of 40% DTI.</p>
<p>Florida is considered a &#8220;Declining&#8221; market so LTV might get another 5% LTV hit to guidelines.</p>
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		<title>By: nvattorney</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11907</link>
		<dc:creator>nvattorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;law&quot; is the contract.  You said the &quot;closing papers&quot; were signed.  Did this include a commitment from the lender?  I imagine it must have or the seller wouldn&#039;t have released the property to you.  That&#039;s the point of closing, so everyone can get their ducks in a row at the same time.  If the lender made a commitment and didn&#039;t honor it, that&#039;s called &quot;breach of contract&quot; and it gives rise to civil recourse in every state in the union and most of the world.  You have to read the contract.  Of course, there are also federal and state laws that regulate mortgage lending.  If the bank is on your deed, you&#039;ve complied with the contract and they haven&#039;t.  Quit calling and start writing.  If that doesn&#039;t work, call the local bar association and find a lawyer to consult with.  As for statutory law, you may want to start by looking at Florida Statutes, Title 33, Chp 494 concerning regulation of mortgage lenders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;law&#8221; is the contract.  You said the &#8220;closing papers&#8221; were signed.  Did this include a commitment from the lender?  I imagine it must have or the seller wouldn&#8217;t have released the property to you.  That&#8217;s the point of closing, so everyone can get their ducks in a row at the same time.  If the lender made a commitment and didn&#8217;t honor it, that&#8217;s called &#8220;breach of contract&#8221; and it gives rise to civil recourse in every state in the union and most of the world.  You have to read the contract.  Of course, there are also federal and state laws that regulate mortgage lending.  If the bank is on your deed, you&#8217;ve complied with the contract and they haven&#8217;t.  Quit calling and start writing.  If that doesn&#8217;t work, call the local bar association and find a lawyer to consult with.  As for statutory law, you may want to start by looking at Florida Statutes, Title 33, Chp 494 concerning regulation of mortgage lenders.</p>
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		<title>By: FloridaCMPS</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11906</link>
		<dc:creator>FloridaCMPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason for the 3 days is due to it being a refinacne transaction which Florida law allows a 3 day right of rescission.  That means that depending on the closing time, the funds should be released on the fourth business day after the closing took place.

As for recourse to your current situation, I would guess you are getting the run around and legally I do not believe the new lender can be a lien holder without releasing funds.  I am no lawyer, so I would suggest contact Florida&#039;s Office of Financial Regulation as a possible starting place as they regulate mortgages.  If they cannot help directly, maybe they can guide you to someone who can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason for the 3 days is due to it being a refinacne transaction which Florida law allows a 3 day right of rescission.  That means that depending on the closing time, the funds should be released on the fourth business day after the closing took place.</p>
<p>As for recourse to your current situation, I would guess you are getting the run around and legally I do not believe the new lender can be a lien holder without releasing funds.  I am no lawyer, so I would suggest contact Florida&#8217;s Office of Financial Regulation as a possible starting place as they regulate mortgages.  If they cannot help directly, maybe they can guide you to someone who can.</p>
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		<title>By: jacque</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11905</link>
		<dc:creator>jacque</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been a squeaky wheel! I learned that lesson ages ago when I was in business. Being a female in her 20s at the time, it was a lesson I had to learn fast.

What I would love to know though is what the law in Florida is on this. I would hate to start making threats with no legal grounds.

If anyone out there knows, and can point me to a site with the actual law in writing, it could really help me. Thanks!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a squeaky wheel! I learned that lesson ages ago when I was in business. Being a female in her 20s at the time, it was a lesson I had to learn fast.</p>
<p>What I would love to know though is what the law in Florida is on this. I would hate to start making threats with no legal grounds.</p>
<p>If anyone out there knows, and can point me to a site with the actual law in writing, it could really help me. Thanks!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hutch</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11904</link>
		<dc:creator>Hutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bizarre isn&#039;t it. Living within your means without earned income is something banks and  credit providers can&#039;t comprehend. You could be in limbo for a long time if you don&#039;t pester them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bizarre isn&#8217;t it. Living within your means without earned income is something banks and  credit providers can&#8217;t comprehend. You could be in limbo for a long time if you don&#8217;t pester them.</p>
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		<title>By: freemonster</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11903</link>
		<dc:creator>freemonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like only a squeaky wheel is going to get funded. Keep calling, keep asking for someone else. Maybe this is normal in todays world. Hopefully someone will know of a state agency you could call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like only a squeaky wheel is going to get funded. Keep calling, keep asking for someone else. Maybe this is normal in todays world. Hopefully someone will know of a state agency you could call.</p>
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		<title>By: JimAtLaw</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/05/shouldnt-this-loan-have-funded/#comment-11902</link>
		<dc:creator>JimAtLaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 08:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A month after closing and no funds?  Perhaps I&#039;m missing something, but it sounds to me like this person is in the process of getting screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A month after closing and no funds?  Perhaps I&#8217;m missing something, but it sounds to me like this person is in the process of getting screwed.</p>
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