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	<title>Comments on: Phoenix:  April Home Sales Up But Median Down 21%</title>
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		<title>By: C_G_K</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/14/phoenix-april-2008-sales-up-median-down/#comment-12077</link>
		<dc:creator>C_G_K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreclosure Expert,

Price/Sq Foot can be a useful relative measure when looking at the big picture, but it is not perfect, especially when comparing two houses in the same area. It does not take into account such things as lot size or improvements (like landscaping, swimming pool, granite etc.) or even the overall condition of the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreclosure Expert,</p>
<p>Price/Sq Foot can be a useful relative measure when looking at the big picture, but it is not perfect, especially when comparing two houses in the same area. It does not take into account such things as lot size or improvements (like landscaping, swimming pool, granite etc.) or even the overall condition of the property.</p>
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		<title>By: the kid</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/14/phoenix-april-2008-sales-up-median-down/#comment-12076</link>
		<dc:creator>the kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 18:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..but values NEVER fall in highly desirable areas such as north scottsdale. LOL. not. even. close. to. bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..but values NEVER fall in highly desirable areas such as north scottsdale. LOL. not. even. close. to. bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: brucewho</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/14/phoenix-april-2008-sales-up-median-down/#comment-12075</link>
		<dc:creator>brucewho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandman-

From what I gather here and on other blogs the &quot;Bottom&quot; you speak of ain&#039;t going to look pretty.  It will be flat for quite awhile until certain fundementals change.

Firstly, with tightenned credit or rather a return to historical norm (30yr fixed, 10-20% down) a home must be affordable, i.e. 2-3x family income.

Second, wages must keep up with inflation.  An impoverished citizenry can not afford home ownership.  Outsourching, offshoring, and H2B visas may help the corporate bottom line but it won&#039;t help Americans.

Third, inventory levels must return to the 4 month or less level.  Excess inventory depresses price but if prices are too sticky coming down expect inventory to remain high.

And lastly, America&#039;s debt to savings ratio must dramatically improve.  This IMO is critical.  How do we dig ourselves out of this hole?  Forgiveness?  WTF!  Eveyone gets a clean slate from JPM/BS down to J6P? That ain&#039;t gonna work in the long run.  As Ollie used to say to Stan &quot;That&#039;s a fine mess you&#039;ve gotten us into&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandman-</p>
<p>From what I gather here and on other blogs the &#8220;Bottom&#8221; you speak of ain&#8217;t going to look pretty.  It will be flat for quite awhile until certain fundementals change.</p>
<p>Firstly, with tightenned credit or rather a return to historical norm (30yr fixed, 10-20% down) a home must be affordable, i.e. 2-3x family income.</p>
<p>Second, wages must keep up with inflation.  An impoverished citizenry can not afford home ownership.  Outsourching, offshoring, and H2B visas may help the corporate bottom line but it won&#8217;t help Americans.</p>
<p>Third, inventory levels must return to the 4 month or less level.  Excess inventory depresses price but if prices are too sticky coming down expect inventory to remain high.</p>
<p>And lastly, America&#8217;s debt to savings ratio must dramatically improve.  This IMO is critical.  How do we dig ourselves out of this hole?  Forgiveness?  WTF!  Eveyone gets a clean slate from JPM/BS down to J6P? That ain&#8217;t gonna work in the long run.  As Ollie used to say to Stan &#8220;That&#8217;s a fine mess you&#8217;ve gotten us into&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 13:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>foreclosure expert -

Loved the article!  You&#039;ve perfectly articulated an argument I&#039;ve had with several folks about home values in the Dallas area.  There are really only two valid comparison points: price per sqft and building class.  Here in Dallas, class 14 is a track brick venere, where class 23 is a quality custom.  So where class 14 may go for $75, the class 23 will go for $120.  But it still isn&#039;t apples to apples.  It&#039;s actually the higher quality homes (and therefore more expensive) that are taking the biggest hits in my area.</description>
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<p>Loved the article!  You&#8217;ve perfectly articulated an argument I&#8217;ve had with several folks about home values in the Dallas area.  There are really only two valid comparison points: price per sqft and building class.  Here in Dallas, class 14 is a track brick venere, where class 23 is a quality custom.  So where class 14 may go for $75, the class 23 will go for $120.  But it still isn&#8217;t apples to apples.  It&#8217;s actually the higher quality homes (and therefore more expensive) that are taking the biggest hits in my area.</p>
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		<title>By: sandman</title>
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		<dc:creator>sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One of the driving forces in increased activity has been rapidly declining prices that have fueled renewed investor interest and potential owner-occupants&lt;/i&gt;

Can anybody shed some light into what a &quot;potential owner-occupant&quot; is?  I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a checkbox on your mortgage app.

hey twist - you talk about the recovery being a long way off.  I think it&#039;d be nice to have a solid definition of what a &quot;recovery&quot; will be.  If you listen to the NAR, they&#039;re spinning a &quot;full recovery&quot; (I guess 2005 prices??  And of course, this will happen in 2H08...).  Knowing that won&#039;t happen, I&#039;d love to hear peoples&#039; opinions on this.  What will the bottom look like, and maybe discuss the next few years as we enter the &quot;recovery&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One of the driving forces in increased activity has been rapidly declining prices that have fueled renewed investor interest and potential owner-occupants</i></p>
<p>Can anybody shed some light into what a &#8220;potential owner-occupant&#8221; is?  I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a checkbox on your mortgage app.</p>
<p>hey twist &#8211; you talk about the recovery being a long way off.  I think it&#8217;d be nice to have a solid definition of what a &#8220;recovery&#8221; will be.  If you listen to the NAR, they&#8217;re spinning a &#8220;full recovery&#8221; (I guess 2005 prices??  And of course, this will happen in 2H08&#8230;).  Knowing that won&#8217;t happen, I&#8217;d love to hear peoples&#8217; opinions on this.  What will the bottom look like, and maybe discuss the next few years as we enter the &#8220;recovery&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: LatexChameleon</title>
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		<dc:creator>LatexChameleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 01:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;d all agree that it would be naive to consider the uptick in sales volume to be the sign of a recovery. More likely, it&#039;s reflective of the fact that more properties are being sold (or forced into sale) by lending institutions, who are far less likely to irrationally hold onto a property in a declining market.

A sales increase due to foreclosures, short sales and REOs is hardly a good sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;d all agree that it would be naive to consider the uptick in sales volume to be the sign of a recovery. More likely, it&#8217;s reflective of the fact that more properties are being sold (or forced into sale) by lending institutions, who are far less likely to irrationally hold onto a property in a declining market.</p>
<p>A sales increase due to foreclosures, short sales and REOs is hardly a good sign.</p>
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		<title>By: foreclosure_expert</title>
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		<dc:creator>foreclosure_expert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twist, I especially agree with your last 2 paragraphs. &quot;Median and average&quot; price are not the best indicators because they do not compare &quot;apples to apples.&quot; This explains why in greater detail:

http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/05/forget-the-aver.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twist, I especially agree with your last 2 paragraphs. &#8220;Median and average&#8221; price are not the best indicators because they do not compare &#8220;apples to apples.&#8221; This explains why in greater detail:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/05/forget-the-aver.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2008/05/forget-the-aver.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: cfishy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfishy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These bottom fishers are gona feel the pain soon...

haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These bottom fishers are gona feel the pain soon&#8230;</p>
<p>haha</p>
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		<title>By: uuuthe</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/05/14/phoenix-april-2008-sales-up-median-down/#comment-12069</link>
		<dc:creator>uuuthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dogtown, they are going by last year&#039;s april sales.  Unfortunately, foreclosures are surging by 60%, so there is more to this declining market  that they are not mentioning.
 http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080514/foreclosure_rates.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dogtown, they are going by last year&#8217;s april sales.  Unfortunately, foreclosures are surging by 60%, so there is more to this declining market  that they are not mentioning.<br />
 <a href="http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080514/foreclosure_rates.html" rel="nofollow">http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080514/foreclosure_rates.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based upon sales per dwelling during 1980 to 2000 a natural rate of sales should be somewhere between 2006 and 2007 numbers (given the current much increased population of dwellings).  We are still below those numbers and it appears that although unit sales are improving, the values are still declining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based upon sales per dwelling during 1980 to 2000 a natural rate of sales should be somewhere between 2006 and 2007 numbers (given the current much increased population of dwellings).  We are still below those numbers and it appears that although unit sales are improving, the values are still declining.</p>
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		<title>By: dogtownsurfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>dogtownsurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, what about the factoring in of it being the spring selling season?

If this 15% increase had been &quot;seasonally adjusted&quot; in the same way todays gasoline price was (and showed a 2% drop because if it; on what planet did gas go down last month???), then this number would actually be down 20-25% still.

It&#039;s amazing how numbers can tell you anything you want to hear if you just use the right formula.

We are a long, long way from over on this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, what about the factoring in of it being the spring selling season?</p>
<p>If this 15% increase had been &#8220;seasonally adjusted&#8221; in the same way todays gasoline price was (and showed a 2% drop because if it; on what planet did gas go down last month???), then this number would actually be down 20-25% still.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how numbers can tell you anything you want to hear if you just use the right formula.</p>
<p>We are a long, long way from over on this.</p>
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