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	<title>Comments on: Phoenix Area Sees Record Notice Of Trustee Sales- And The Month&#039;s Not Over</title>
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		<title>By: sequoia512</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/06/30/phoenix-area-sees-record-notice-of-trustee-sales/#comment-12765</link>
		<dc:creator>sequoia512</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is the problem looks like a perfectly normal chart of the end of a bubble.  Have a friend trying to get withen 10% of peak on a million dollar home in Phoenix.  Buena suerte</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is the problem looks like a perfectly normal chart of the end of a bubble.  Have a friend trying to get withen 10% of peak on a million dollar home in Phoenix.  Buena suerte</p>
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		<title>By: surak</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/06/30/phoenix-area-sees-record-notice-of-trustee-sales/#comment-12764</link>
		<dc:creator>surak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Price drops are going to really accelerate the second half of this year (July through December).  May retreat another 15% or more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Price drops are going to really accelerate the second half of this year (July through December).  May retreat another 15% or more.</p>
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		<title>By: Arizzzona</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/06/30/phoenix-area-sees-record-notice-of-trustee-sales/#comment-12763</link>
		<dc:creator>Arizzzona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Four:  We are nowhere close to seeing the end of write-downs by mortgage lenders.

Five:  Given that the foreclosure rate is accelerating, not moderating, it is safe to assume this thing still has a long way to run.

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Six: The worst is yet to come in the credit crisis, and - given that the FED has already gone though half it&#039;s $900 billion reserves - there is a real chance it may not be able to preserve the system as we know it.

And...

&quot;Hmmmmmmmmmm. Seems like more homes will be going into foreclosure than are selling each month.&quot;

I think this observation says it all in terms of what these NOT numbers mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Four:  We are nowhere close to seeing the end of write-downs by mortgage lenders.</p>
<p>Five:  Given that the foreclosure rate is accelerating, not moderating, it is safe to assume this thing still has a long way to run.</p>
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<p>Six: The worst is yet to come in the credit crisis, and &#8211; given that the FED has already gone though half it&#8217;s $900 billion reserves &#8211; there is a real chance it may not be able to preserve the system as we know it.</p>
<p>And&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Hmmmmmmmmmm. Seems like more homes will be going into foreclosure than are selling each month.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this observation says it all in terms of what these NOT numbers mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Your Jewish Master</title>
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		<dc:creator>Your Jewish Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little off topic, but--

If you want to see where the building/development industry is headed, take a look at the relevant professions on Monster.
Do a search for Architect, Landscape Architect, Civil Engineer, and Land Surveyor positions.  Look by State and Nationwide.  Holy Cow.

Also here is a nice MLS mapping site:

http://idx.diversesolutions.com/Search/962/41</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little off topic, but&#8211;</p>
<p>If you want to see where the building/development industry is headed, take a look at the relevant professions on Monster.<br />
Do a search for Architect, Landscape Architect, Civil Engineer, and Land Surveyor positions.  Look by State and Nationwide.  Holy Cow.</p>
<p>Also here is a nice MLS mapping site:</p>
<p><a href="http://idx.diversesolutions.com/Search/962/41" rel="nofollow">http://idx.diversesolutions.com/Search/962/41</a></p>
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		<title>By: banana.republic.us</title>
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		<dc:creator>banana.republic.us</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of these properties are aquired from the lender by hedge and vulture funds.  I&#039;m hearing 0.40 cents on the dollar or even less depending on the transaction size to buy a pool of bad properties.

Know that these buyers are working in the billion dollar range and may require time to ramp up their sales efforts.

I know of one fund that did this a couple of years ago and they are now in bankruptcy.  It seems the vulture funds have mortgages too.  LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of these properties are aquired from the lender by hedge and vulture funds.  I&#8217;m hearing 0.40 cents on the dollar or even less depending on the transaction size to buy a pool of bad properties.</p>
<p>Know that these buyers are working in the billion dollar range and may require time to ramp up their sales efforts.</p>
<p>I know of one fund that did this a couple of years ago and they are now in bankruptcy.  It seems the vulture funds have mortgages too.  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a relative here (&quot;Jim&quot;) in Metro Phoenix who apparently has just recently acknowledged that his house is worth less than he paid in 2006.  Jim now appears willing to bring cash to the closing table in order to sell it and be able to rent.  But I doubt that he will lower the asking price enough to stand a chance at this.  He bought the place for $320K, and it is &quot;listed&quot; fsbo on Zillow for $280K.  Unfortunately, the house Zillows at $240K and there are comparable REOs listed in the $220s and dropping.

Jim made large bubble profits by purchasing on a new build behemoth in the same area in early 2004 and selling it in 2006.  He sold a bit past the peak, but still pocketed around $180K.

Of course, he just had to buy again (before the first sale closed, BTW), although he downsized in size and price (thankfully).  So, the second house is now about $100K underwater, which is more than his 20% down payment on a re-finance (he had to something with some of that bubble cash).  If Jim walks away, he would still be a tad over $100K ahead in terms of his net housing bubble experience.  Somehow, I do not think he will look at the situation with that positive spin. One more NOT coming soon (I&#039;m guessing).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a relative here (&#8220;Jim&#8221;) in Metro Phoenix who apparently has just recently acknowledged that his house is worth less than he paid in 2006.  Jim now appears willing to bring cash to the closing table in order to sell it and be able to rent.  But I doubt that he will lower the asking price enough to stand a chance at this.  He bought the place for $320K, and it is &#8220;listed&#8221; fsbo on Zillow for $280K.  Unfortunately, the house Zillows at $240K and there are comparable REOs listed in the $220s and dropping.</p>
<p>Jim made large bubble profits by purchasing on a new build behemoth in the same area in early 2004 and selling it in 2006.  He sold a bit past the peak, but still pocketed around $180K.</p>
<p>Of course, he just had to buy again (before the first sale closed, BTW), although he downsized in size and price (thankfully).  So, the second house is now about $100K underwater, which is more than his 20% down payment on a re-finance (he had to something with some of that bubble cash).  If Jim walks away, he would still be a tad over $100K ahead in terms of his net housing bubble experience.  Somehow, I do not think he will look at the situation with that positive spin. One more NOT coming soon (I&#8217;m guessing).</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve-

When you start to consider the losses in value sustained by homeowners and lenders in Phoenix, the mind boggles. It&#039;s hard to see how lenders could withstand this sort of hit if Phoenix were the only down market in the nation.  When you consider what is happening in FL, NV, CA and the midwest- it&#039;s hard to see how any lenders are still standing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve-</p>
<p>When you start to consider the losses in value sustained by homeowners and lenders in Phoenix, the mind boggles. It&#8217;s hard to see how lenders could withstand this sort of hit if Phoenix were the only down market in the nation.  When you consider what is happening in FL, NV, CA and the midwest- it&#8217;s hard to see how any lenders are still standing.</p>
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		<title>By: stevec</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmmmmmmmm. Seems like more homes will be going into foreclosure than are selling each month. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. It&#039;s amazing that some sellers still haven&#039;t got it. Others are trying to sell for 30 percent less than what they paid without any success. Give it 6 - 12 more months. The economy will be in total collapse. Everyone will have lost half or more of the value in their 401k or stocks. Gas will be at $5 a gallon or more and the Greensapan era will be over. Now is the time to sit tight and wait for the once in a lifetime real estate buy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmmmmmmmm. Seems like more homes will be going into foreclosure than are selling each month. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. It&#8217;s amazing that some sellers still haven&#8217;t got it. Others are trying to sell for 30 percent less than what they paid without any success. Give it 6 &#8211; 12 more months. The economy will be in total collapse. Everyone will have lost half or more of the value in their 401k or stocks. Gas will be at $5 a gallon or more and the Greensapan era will be over. Now is the time to sit tight and wait for the once in a lifetime real estate buy.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NVMike-

This data is not easy to come by.  I&#039;d say that Clark County probably looks worse, but how does a graph do worse than a 90 degree turn?

I&#039;m familiar with the &quot;hockey stick&quot; graph, but the express is inadequate in this case. What&#039;s the opposite of a &quot;dead cat drop&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NVMike-</p>
<p>This data is not easy to come by.  I&#8217;d say that Clark County probably looks worse, but how does a graph do worse than a 90 degree turn?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m familiar with the &#8220;hockey stick&#8221; graph, but the express is inadequate in this case. What&#8217;s the opposite of a &#8220;dead cat drop&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: NVmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>NVmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: Maricopa County NOTs chart

Oh. My. G**.

Wow.

[&lt;em&gt;Slight edit- but I completely understand the sentiment.  T.&lt;/em&gt;]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Maricopa County NOTs chart</p>
<p>Oh. My. G**.</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>[<em>Slight edit- but I completely understand the sentiment.  T.</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatisreality-

L and I spent some time looking at one Phoenix area neighborhood trying to determine how many REOs were unlisted.  In the neighborhood we looked at, about 40% were not.

It was a large neighborhood, so the number of properties made it difficult to come up with a good flow chart, but it appeared to me that for the most part, they were cycling the properties through the MLS.  Listings are allowed to expire, and another property is listed.

Letting them expire and sit awhile allows them to become &quot;new listings&quot;, so they don&#039;t look like they&#039;ve been sitting so long, and cycling them helps keep the numbers down.

It took hours to track the patterns in this one neighborhood, so I didn&#039;t look at any others.  I&#039;m going to guess that the pattern is Valleywide though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatisreality-</p>
<p>L and I spent some time looking at one Phoenix area neighborhood trying to determine how many REOs were unlisted.  In the neighborhood we looked at, about 40% were not.</p>
<p>It was a large neighborhood, so the number of properties made it difficult to come up with a good flow chart, but it appeared to me that for the most part, they were cycling the properties through the MLS.  Listings are allowed to expire, and another property is listed.</p>
<p>Letting them expire and sit awhile allows them to become &#8220;new listings&#8221;, so they don&#8217;t look like they&#8217;ve been sitting so long, and cycling them helps keep the numbers down.</p>
<p>It took hours to track the patterns in this one neighborhood, so I didn&#8217;t look at any others.  I&#8217;m going to guess that the pattern is Valleywide though.</p>
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		<title>By: Whatisreality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whatisreality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!  This is exactly what I have been saying.  If you monitor any of the ttee sales there are houses that never show up on MLS...

So, I am curious as to what is happening with the houses that are now &quot;owned&quot; by the bank.  Are the banks just holding them on the books?  Are they selling them to &quot;private&quot; investors?  Have they taken the loss on their books then turned around and sold them back to the originals owners for a better loan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  This is exactly what I have been saying.  If you monitor any of the ttee sales there are houses that never show up on MLS&#8230;</p>
<p>So, I am curious as to what is happening with the houses that are now &#8220;owned&#8221; by the bank.  Are the banks just holding them on the books?  Are they selling them to &#8220;private&#8221; investors?  Have they taken the loss on their books then turned around and sold them back to the originals owners for a better loan?</p>
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		<title>By: billydlight</title>
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		<dc:creator>billydlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 13:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a good thing you aren&#039;t in Az anymore. Various chambers of commerce may get very &quot;sad&quot; at you. There is still a market blackout in my Hometown of Bozeman, MT. Zillow is all but useless now. They figured out that their handy charts and data was looking like the above. &quot;Just anybody&quot; could see what Nar sees. I don&#039;t want to sound conspiracy theorist, but this is getting spooky. I thought &quot;housing bust&quot; not Grapes of Wrath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a good thing you aren&#8217;t in Az anymore. Various chambers of commerce may get very &#8220;sad&#8221; at you. There is still a market blackout in my Hometown of Bozeman, MT. Zillow is all but useless now. They figured out that their handy charts and data was looking like the above. &#8220;Just anybody&#8221; could see what Nar sees. I don&#8217;t want to sound conspiracy theorist, but this is getting spooky. I thought &#8220;housing bust&#8221; not Grapes of Wrath.</p>
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