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	<title>Comments on: Fannie and Freddie Getting Hammered Today</title>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/07/fannie-and-freddie-getting-hammered-today/#comment-12883</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surak-

That&#039;s the big question, isn&#039;t it?

I believe that in the absence of Fannie and Freddie, the mortgage market would have had no choice but to raise rates tremendously to properly price in the risk, and prices would have had to crash to compensate for the horrific interest rates.  That would be the only way to make purchasing mortgages appealing to investors.

So what does that mean for us now?  Unless Congress wants to bankroll a bunch of bad loans at below market rates, it seems like we could be shifting toward that scenario.

Long term however, I think credit is going to have to loosen a lot.  HBs built under the assumption that everyone with a pulse should have a house.  If we have a world where only the most credit worthy own houses- what can be done with the difference?

My dad told me that when he moved to AZ in the early sixties, there had been a huge RE bust in Phoenix.  You could drive around Scottsdale and there were large pink stickers on the doors of foreclosures.  Pick a house, pick a payment, and the house was yours.

The government is the wild card.  Do they let the free market work- which brings about tightening in the short term, and loosening in the long term, or do they try and prop up the GSEs?

I don&#039;t believe that propping up the GSEs by nationalization or other means will prop up the market.  Supply/demand will continue to put downward pressure on the market and defaults will continue- at great expense to the taxpayer.

The hearings today should be informative- we&#039;ll see if the government really believes that are capable of implementing a &quot;hurricane prevention program&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surak-</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the big question, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>I believe that in the absence of Fannie and Freddie, the mortgage market would have had no choice but to raise rates tremendously to properly price in the risk, and prices would have had to crash to compensate for the horrific interest rates.  That would be the only way to make purchasing mortgages appealing to investors.</p>
<p>So what does that mean for us now?  Unless Congress wants to bankroll a bunch of bad loans at below market rates, it seems like we could be shifting toward that scenario.</p>
<p>Long term however, I think credit is going to have to loosen a lot.  HBs built under the assumption that everyone with a pulse should have a house.  If we have a world where only the most credit worthy own houses- what can be done with the difference?</p>
<p>My dad told me that when he moved to AZ in the early sixties, there had been a huge RE bust in Phoenix.  You could drive around Scottsdale and there were large pink stickers on the doors of foreclosures.  Pick a house, pick a payment, and the house was yours.</p>
<p>The government is the wild card.  Do they let the free market work- which brings about tightening in the short term, and loosening in the long term, or do they try and prop up the GSEs?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that propping up the GSEs by nationalization or other means will prop up the market.  Supply/demand will continue to put downward pressure on the market and defaults will continue- at great expense to the taxpayer.</p>
<p>The hearings today should be informative- we&#8217;ll see if the government really believes that are capable of implementing a &#8220;hurricane prevention program&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: surak</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/07/fannie-and-freddie-getting-hammered-today/#comment-12882</link>
		<dc:creator>surak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twist,


Do you see the fall of Freddie and Fannie turning into a very significant credit crunch (high down payments of 20% or more and greater
documentation of income)???

I would be very interested in your take on the situation.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twist,</p>
<p>Do you see the fall of Freddie and Fannie turning into a very significant credit crunch (high down payments of 20% or more and greater<br />
documentation of income)???</p>
<p>I would be very interested in your take on the situation.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/07/fannie-and-freddie-getting-hammered-today/#comment-12881</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FREDDIE RUNS AMOK, Part 2 of 2 -- &lt;em&gt;THIS TIME CO-STARRING FANNIE&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;I&#039;ve got mortgages on homes, I&#039;ve got stiffness in my bones ...&lt;/em&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FREDDIE RUNS AMOK, Part 2 of 2 &#8212; <em>THIS TIME CO-STARRING FANNIE</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;I&#8217;ve got mortgages on homes, I&#8217;ve got stiffness in my bones &#8230;</em></p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/07/fannie-and-freddie-getting-hammered-today/#comment-12880</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FREDDIE RUNS AMOK, Part 1 of 2 -- &lt;em&gt;NIGHTMARE ON WALL STREET&lt;/em&gt;

(OK, Wednesday was &lt;em&gt;way&lt;/em&gt; hairier than Monday, even.  I&#039;ve got to try making fun of this.  &quot;Disaster,&quot; says Igor, but I say &quot;Horror!&quot;)

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<p>(OK, Wednesday was <em>way</em> hairier than Monday, even.  I&#8217;ve got to try making fun of this.  &#8220;Disaster,&#8221; says Igor, but I say &#8220;Horror!&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 11:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanta at Calculated Risk would normally have been expected to engage heartily in this story, bringing her unique servicer&#039;s viewpoint.  I hope her health allows her to add her weight to Paul&#039;s soon.  Certainly she&#039;ll see the issue as important, and no doubt she&#039;ll have a few choice words for the Lehman analyst ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanta at Calculated Risk would normally have been expected to engage heartily in this story, bringing her unique servicer&#8217;s viewpoint.  I hope her health allows her to add her weight to Paul&#8217;s soon.  Certainly she&#8217;ll see the issue as important, and no doubt she&#8217;ll have a few choice words for the Lehman analyst <img src='http://housingdoom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/07/fannie-and-freddie-getting-hammered-today/#comment-12878</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Doom friend WireGuy has a serious and detailed analysis of today&#039;s GSE news that&#039;s a must-read for Doomers wanting to go deeper into this important story.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.housingwire.com/2008/07/07/fannie-freddie-socked-by-investor-paranoia/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Fannie, Freddie Socked by Investor Paranoia&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Paul Jackson, &lt;em&gt;Housing Wire&lt;/em&gt;, July 7, 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old Doom friend WireGuy has a serious and detailed analysis of today&#8217;s GSE news that&#8217;s a must-read for Doomers wanting to go deeper into this important story.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.housingwire.com/2008/07/07/fannie-freddie-socked-by-investor-paranoia/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Fannie, Freddie Socked by Investor Paranoia&#8221;</a>, by Paul Jackson, <em>Housing Wire</em>, July 7, 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Ponzi</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/07/fannie-and-freddie-getting-hammered-today/#comment-12877</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Ponzi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A share of FNM can be taken as a capital loss.  Of course, its value to purchase is considerably more than a lottery ticket.

Potential payback aside, I&#039;d still probably rather buy 16 lottery tickets than one share of FNM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A share of FNM can be taken as a capital loss.  Of course, its value to purchase is considerably more than a lottery ticket.</p>
<p>Potential payback aside, I&#8217;d still probably rather buy 16 lottery tickets than one share of FNM</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our admin and I were discussing the following question a couple of days ago:

&lt;em&gt;What is likely to give the higher ROI- a share of FNM or a lottery ticket?&lt;/em&gt;

Any opinions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our admin and I were discussing the following question a couple of days ago:</p>
<p><em>What is likely to give the higher ROI- a share of FNM or a lottery ticket?</em></p>
<p>Any opinions?</p>
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