Note: This post has been bumped from its original date of 7/18. There’s still a lot going on with the GSE’s, so I thought the topic deserved to stay current.
According to Bloomberg yesterday evening:
U.S. Representative Barney Frank, the Democrat who heads the House panel overseeing housing, aims to tie the Treasury’s plan to aid Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the federal debt limit, placing a potential constraint on the help.
It’s “very clear,” lawmakers won’t support exempting the rescue from the debt limit, said Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee. “The fact that any expenditure under this bill would be subject to the debt limit is a cap in effect on the amount,” he said. Such a cap will limit taxpayer liability, he said.
The debt limit is $9.815 trillion and the current outstanding public debt subject to that limit is about $9.4 trillion, according to the Treasury Department.
Bloomberg went on to quote Frank:
Frank said he doesn’t expect the plan to incur significant costs for taxpayers because it will spur investor confidence in the lenders, limiting the need for public money.
Frank has more confidence than I do.
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twist -
The pretense of guaranteeing about $5 trillion of mortgage backed debt using two quasi-private companies with (now) essentially no market cap is a bit farcical. When are we going to learn that Nixon’s 1972 so-called privatization of over a third of America’s sovereign debt was simply a very, very large Enron-style off-balance-sheet exploit?
Ready for some serious spin?
“Paulson’s View”, by David Ignatius, Washington Post, July 18, 2008.
“Shocked,” says Igor, who must be easily shocked on a Friday.
John-
Paulson is up there with Bush, who a couple of days ago was saying that he saw economic problems early, and worked to head it off with his economic stimulus package.
Problems have been brewing for years, but he didn’t mention any problems until just a few months ago- when he was still saying the economy is strong.
There seems to be a pattern of Deny until it’s undeniable- then say that you saw it it all along.
John-
Have you seen this one yet this morning?
I wonder if the powers-that-be are worrying the Paulson’s plan won’t fly, and are looking for a plan "B"?
twist (#4) -
There has been a blizzard of stories about how for the foreseeable future the GSEs need neither the discount window, nor more capital, nor Government support, nor broader borrowing limits from the Treasury. In truth they are desperately urgent to seize on all these tools and more, but their lying power is completely shot and they have to lie low until Congress (hopefully) authorizes all these things that F&F don’t need.
Sooner rather than later they will spring the value-trap on guys buying into this wild rally and those investors will discover that their money was more in the nature of a charitable contribution than an investment.
All that’s a sideshow, though, with the money flowing into the Treasury to help pay for GSE nationalization (coming soon) being a pittance. The main event is in the debt markets, and it should hit in the next three days, as soon as the Asian cenbanks realize that Roubini’s proposal for a five percent adjustment on agency debt is gonna happen.
Haircuts on F&F obligations will be the obligatory tribute assessments to pay for the wars. There’s no way around it.
Remember Ambrose recently contradicted the Spanish Minister of Finance by saying that today is not that country’s worst crisis in history, it was at the height their empire in the 16th Century when there were the three worst ones, including Phillip nuking the Italian banking system by defaulting on the loans for his failed invasion of England. The pattern of sovereign default is a law of human nature and it won’t be a bit different this time around.
Meanwhile, the MSM is busy building up their dossier of embarrassing efforts to soothe the sheep. Today’s stack will look much like the howlers from 1929-31, the dawn of WD I, that we have been laughing over.
“Crisis? What Crisis?”, by Justin Fox, Time, July 17, 2008.
Of course it’s once Asia comes to terms with just how many homeowners are actually going to default that the F&F bill sales will seize up. I give it three days, but it might be ten. No more. What started with Coventree will have completed in somewhat less than a year. This is the end of capitalism as we have known it, and the beginning of the end of the Anglophone adventure which kicked off with Sir Francis Drake.
But it was one heck of a ride
John -
This is a legitimate, non-rhetorical question, and I don’t want the 2nd-grade answer:
Why are the GSE spreads widening?
agnostic -
CR has a specific explanation (follow the link for more information):
“Agency Mortgage-Bond Spreads Increase”, Calculated Risk, July 18, 2008.
We now return to our usual Apocalyptic Gloom & Doom …
Yeah, I read that earlier today, but if F&F are more or less explicitly backed by the Fed, why would the paper trade at a premium to treasuries? Sure, I know, perceived risk, blah, blah, but IF the explicit backing is there…
It’s not explicit, it’s semi-explicit. Paulson threw out the implicit guarantee that had been in place for 36 years but failed to specify anything about the new state of affairs, which is assumed to be explicit, but is at this point totally undefined. That is certainly enough uncertainty to explain the spread relative to treasuries.
Anyone with a pencil and the back of an envelope will immediately see that amortizing this monster would entail certain inconveniences, e.g. enslaving most Americans for the next fifty years or so. Economically speaking, the GSE bill sales / redemptions constitute cheque kiting on a balance of $5 trillion dollars, so this penultimate working piece of the debt rollover market (treasuries is the last) is pretty important.
A real statement of full-faith-and-credit applying to the GSEs’ debt would simply end the concept of agencies and create an approximately (but God knows exactly) $12 trillion treasuries market chock full of post-bubble mortgages. S&P is hardly going to put America on negative watch, but if that happened, they wouldn’t have to.
Clearly Roubini’s suggestion of clarifying the situation by specifying the “modest” haircut the Treasury has in mind for agency bond holders is suicidal, but the alternative appears to be revocation of the 14th Amendment. Paulson’s in Zugzwang.
While he’s dithering, fear will creep inexorably into the agencies market. I expect it will freeze around Monday. Therefore it is not unlikely that Paulson will take his best shot at managing this unmanageable situation Sunday evening before the Asian markets open again. I have no idea what he will say, and I hazard a guess that at this time he doesn’t either.
If it’s semi-explicit, it is not explicit. Sure, Hank is out there saying “we don’t know what type of bridge we’re going to throw up until we get to the river,” well, they’re on the bank (pun intended).
And, honestly, I can’t stomach these “experts” who are saying that F&F are absolutely essential in having an orderly, smooth housing market. Ridiculous. If a lender can only cover their risk with a 9% or 10% coupon, so be it. The rate is either subsidized or it isn’t, I don’t think there can or should be a middle ground – if the only thing propping up housing values is cheap plentiful government-backed capital, then the values are not propped up.
John, Agnostic-
I must say, “semi-explicit” reminds me of “kind of pregnant”- it’s seems you must be one thing or the other.
I understand what you are saying though, John. It sounded like Paulson was being more explicit, without actually saying so.
Hi guys -
I just found this one from near the outer limits of the gold-bug community. His guess for the ultimate damage is four times what Roubini is asserting, but the following paragraph does a good job of summarizing Paulson’s dilemma.
“Stocks Bounce as Fannie and Freddie Looking for Fresh Capital”, by Anthony Cherniawski, Market Oracle, July 18, 2008.
twist -
You can have no idea how much I enjoyed reading your recent sidebar find (link below).
In fact the final years of my career in technical support for naval C3I and related areas like ASW research were devoted (rather embarrassingly) to trying to raise (i.e. numerically lower) DEFCON on the emerging national security threat coming out of agency debt. Doomers might imagine the blank looks this received around 2004/05
I just had a blast of nostalgia recalling all the confusion occasioned trying to remember “1 is bad, 5 is good” as we were maintaining the displays for the levels on the operators’ screens.
“Fannie & Freddie: DEFCON 1 or just a sad day for taxpayers?”, Stockhouse, July 19, 2008.
John-
I had a feeling you might enjoy that one. : )
Did you follow the link to the Swanson article? It’s actually more expansive than the one on the sidebar. Swanson doesn’t mince any words.
twist -
No, I hadn’t followed that link inside the story at #13. I have now and, as you say, it’s pretty strong stuff.
“Fannie and Freddie bring credit crisis to DEFCON 1: A bailout would tell the world that U.S. government will do anything to protect the interest of bankers”, by Mike Swanson, Stockhouse, July 14, 2008.
The fun bit of this article is near the end. I wonder if America’s trading partners knew they were being cast as first responders holding a net designed to catch a grand piano being tossed out of the eleventh floor of a burning building.
The author is a former Fed type now working at the AEI.
“Securitization and the Mortgage Mess”, by Vincent Reinhart, Wall Street Journal, July 18, 2008.
So the $250 billion question over this weekend includes the question of how much of this “support” will be imposed through the means of a haircut to holders of agency debt. Igor has a comment … “cheated.”
Thursday’s GSE cover at The Economist seems to have opened the MSM floodgates. Newsweek in particular has several stories. In the following one, they’re trying to frame the story within the Hoover vs FDR paradigm.
“Seeing Shades of the 1930s: The government’s efforts to keep Fannie and Freddie afloat have a lot in common with the New Deal”, by Daniel Gross, Newsweek,
Published Jul 19, 2008; From the magazine issue dated Jul 28, 2008.
If there is going to be explicit backing (man, I hope there isn’t), the quo needs to be that the shareholders’ equity needs to be wiped out (i.e. nationalization). The shareholders can’t have it both ways.
Well, the comments above are really excited. However, the important point to remember is that it doesn’t matter either way. Can you say, “It’s over”? The idea that it was sufficient to “back up” finance, was fine in the 1930′s, when public opinion would support 23% unemployment. But that won’t work this time.
Hi John (#19) -
When you start coming across as moderate and respectful then we know we’re in serious trouble
To answer your rhetorical question, I did indeed say “It’s over” in the course of this 7/7 comment. That could just be my defeatist habits, though. I sense a building consensus among all the Washington and New York political and business factions to rally around Secretary Paulson’s efforts to build an ontology that will take us through the current crisis. He is speaking on major news outlets this weekend, leading up to a major speech this Tuesday July 22nd. His effort is currently Google News top business cluster and I’ll mine a few links and quotes below as the afternoon wears on.
Doomers will be interested in the analysis of our friend (and former chief Fannie lobbyist) Bill Maloni. A reporter at The Independent has recently sourced him for a story on the situation.
The key battlefield in this crisis is agency debt yields over treasuries and the success of Fannie’s and Freddie’s periodic bill sales. The sales have been healthy as recently as last Thursday and have been getting strong support, especially from Asian central banks.
The bill sales, together with F&F’s debt redemptions, constitute the rollover of America’s AAA-rated mortgage paper. The paper deriving from lesser quality assets, starting with subprime RMBS 11 months ago, has completely seized up. That is the SIVs, ABCP, auction-rate securities, etc. Only treasuries themselves are better quality than agency debt, and if the rollover process for agencies seizes up the crisis would basically go out of control. So Paulson’s communication efforts from now until Tuesday must serve to maintain the faith of the buyers at the F&F bill sales above all.
I don’t think it’s possible, given Roubini’s recent analysis, but with all the significant forces wishing Paulson well he’s sure going to give it the old college try.
Ely & Roubini are starting to sound a bit like a Good Cop / Bad Cop act on this issue.
“Opinions Split About Financial Sector, But More Large Bank Failures Feared”, RTTNews, July 20, 2008.
This one gets my vote for the weekend’s least astonishing headline.
“Paulson `Very Optimistic’ on Freddie, Fannie Rescue”, by John Brinsley, Bloomberg, July 20, 2008.
Bottom calling in the US housing market has now become a matter of economic life and death.
“US economy needs months to recover – Paulson”, Reuters, July 20, 2008.
Sorry guys, but it’s a bit late to be worrying about Moral Hazard …
“We can’t say no, but we can regulate them”, Newsday, July 20, 2008.
“Paulson says recovery to take months, not years: Treasury chief confident Congress will approve Fannie, Freddie aid plan”, by Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch, July 20, 2008.
“Paulson braces public for months of tough times”, Associated Press, July 20, 2008.
Months? “Coverup,” says Igor.
John-
If he were so supremely confident, why isn’t he taking a Sunday off? Futures have been way up on FRE and FNM all weekend.
There is the possibility though,that with BAC reporting tomorrow and WB and WM later this week, perhaps analysts didn’t limbo low enough in their estimates and maybe investors will get spooked again this week.
I think he protests too much.
twist -
I think he’s simply freaked out at the number of things that could go catastrophically wrong in the next week or so if either the debt investors or the stockholders get spooked. Yesterday one of Roubini’s buddies explained why the Administration needed to tear up parts of their ideological play books in the present emergency. They simply need buyers of FNM and FRE too much.
“Moral Hazard Misconception”, by Ricardo Caballero, RGE Monitor, July 19, 2008.
I’m seeing strong parallels between Mussolini’s corporatist Italy (A/K/A “fascism”), in which the state holds a controlling interest in the major national corporations, and today’s national financial circumstances. A “too-big-to-fail” anything is de facto ownership, regardless of who purportedly owns the shares in the organization.
Is corporatism a bad thing provided the corporations are well-managed and unemployment figures and inflation remain low? Can a corporatist state continue to sell bonds forever and not expect some kind of consequence?
I’m starting to think that home mortgage meltdowns are the mild rash that appears before the smallpox sets in.
wylacot -
As it happens, over the last ten years I’ve often entertained the thought that Italy actually won the Second World War
America’s hard left has for generations held the viewpoint that economic, political and military crises were all being engineered to bring on totalitarianism.
Today’s Naomi Klein interview focuses on the idea that the present state of fear will be used to crush environmental issues and reward corporate clients like the oil industry.
The web paper (probably the world’s best independent news source) that stands at the left edge of acceptable discourse is looking at the present situation with a bit of confusion (see below).
In my own conspiracy-theory moments I tend to concur with the ZNet gang that these crises are indeed deliberate and manufactured. However, I like to see the blogging community’s leaderless information dissemination activities (thanks Google!) as a factor that blind-sided the fascists with the unmanageable speed with which the drama unfolded for all the players.
The period from 7/7 until about 7/22 (when the establishment will have crafted a message, Paulson’s speech, with which to be “on message” about) was one of those rare cusp moments when the high state of confusion allows genuinely diverse opinions and occasional glimpses of raw truth to peek out from behind the curtain.
7/7 blew the prevailing ontology about America’s economic state into a cocked hat, and it will be another couple of days before the new one is in place. It is good to be aware during these times when the concrete is still wet, as this is when an incautious panicking functionary might actually fall back on telling the truth.
“Efforts to regulate ‘Wild West’ markets are long overdue: Moves by the Fed and the Treasury to prop up mortgage giants are a welcome sign”, by David R. Francis, Christian Science Monitor, July 21, 2008.
Over the last couple of weeks we’ve seen quite a few analysts asserting we’ve seen various bits of this movie before …
“Short Sales: SEC Turns Back the Clock to 1931″, by Charles Jones, SeekingAlpha, July 20, 2008.
Looks like Cap’n Panick himself was reading that last one (#30) -
“The global economy is at the point of maximum danger”, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Telegraph, July 20, 2008.
UPDATE: it gets hairier as one reads lower. This nugget should freeze the blood of even battle-hardened Doomers.
This story from the heart of the MSM (and presently Google News’ top Business story — UPDATE: now top story) neatly frames one side of Paulson’s GSE dilemma:
“Trouble at Fannie and Freddie Stirs Concern Abroad”, by Heather Timmons, New York Times, July 21, 2008.
John – I want to refer/commend everybody to Thomas Donlan’s column in Barron’s, specifically, the quote from Jim Rogers, speaking on a potential GSE bailout “What is This? It ruins the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet, it makes the dollar more vulnerable, and it increases inflation, and it drives down the dollar.”
Also, hilariously, Donlan coins the term “Feddie” as the collective taken-over F&F. I’m going to have to start using it.
agnostic (#33) -
Here’s coverage (and a video interview with Rogers).
“Jim Rogers attacks Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bail-out”, by James Quinn, Telegraph, July 18, 2008.
Also, the article you refer to is presently available online.
“Is This Capitalism?”, Thomas G. Donlan, Barron’s, July 21, 2008.
By the way, this comment helped my memory along. The quote “Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man; with socialism it’s the other way around.” IIRC was in a Len Deighton novel. The Soviet spy is bantering with the Western spy. The soviet one remarks that he thinks the remark was funny, even though he’s just arrested someone for repeating it. The commenter gives “Funeral in Berlin” for the source.