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	<title>Comments on: Bush To Sign &quot;Carte Blanche&quot; For Fannie And Freddie</title>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13283</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doomers should follow this link and read the whole article.  Foreign central banks sold a couple billion dollars of agencies last week, where they&#039;d bought about 7 billion the previous two.  These stats bounce all over the place so the one week may not signify, but foreign confidence in F&amp;F&#039;s senior obligations is a central pillar holding up what&#039;s left of the world&#039;s financial system.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/12e9e79e-58e6-11dd-a093-000077b07658.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Attachés act to calm jitters on agency debt&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Financial Times&lt;/em&gt;, July 24, 2008.&lt;blockquote&gt;Last Thursday the Kuwait Investment Authority, the world’s sixth-biggest sovereign wealth fund, &lt;strong&gt;received a call from the US embassy to reassure them that bonds issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were sound&lt;/strong&gt;, according to one person with knowledge of the matter. The call came &lt;strong&gt;after Kuwait’s minister of finance announced that the KIA was not planning to invest in their debt in future&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Treasury was unable to comment on the specific episode, but said US officials had been in contact with other governments throughout the market turmoil as part of their regular responsibilities. “This certainly includes providing information on the steps we’ve proposed to provide temporary authorities to give confidence to markets and create a strong, independent regulator for the government- sponsored enterprises (GSEs),” said the Treasury.&lt;br /&gt;
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“Two weeks ago there was nothing more stable than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These were not considered risky assets. &lt;strong&gt;In the last 1½ weeks we have seen this view corrected&lt;/strong&gt;” Alexander Vinokurov, chief executive of Kit Finance, a Russian investment bank, told the Financial Times.&lt;br /&gt;
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Meanwhile, in Japan the Financial Services Agency &lt;strong&gt;denied reports that it was discouraging banks from investing in Fannie and Freddie debt&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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“Generally speaking, we have been encouraging banks not to invest in products simply on the basis of a triple A rating, but we do not tell financial institutions what they should or should not invest in,” an FSA representative told the FT.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doomers should follow this link and read the whole article.  Foreign central banks sold a couple billion dollars of agencies last week, where they&#8217;d bought about 7 billion the previous two.  These stats bounce all over the place so the one week may not signify, but foreign confidence in F&#038;F&#8217;s senior obligations is a central pillar holding up what&#8217;s left of the world&#8217;s financial system.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/12e9e79e-58e6-11dd-a093-000077b07658.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Attachés act to calm jitters on agency debt&#8221;</a>, <em>Financial Times</em>, July 24, 2008.<br />
<blockquote>Last Thursday the Kuwait Investment Authority, the world’s sixth-biggest sovereign wealth fund, <strong>received a call from the US embassy to reassure them that bonds issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were sound</strong>, according to one person with knowledge of the matter. The call came <strong>after Kuwait’s minister of finance announced that the KIA was not planning to invest in their debt in future</strong>.</p>
<p>The Treasury was unable to comment on the specific episode, but said US officials had been in contact with other governments throughout the market turmoil as part of their regular responsibilities. “This certainly includes providing information on the steps we’ve proposed to provide temporary authorities to give confidence to markets and create a strong, independent regulator for the government- sponsored enterprises (GSEs),” said the Treasury.<br />
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<p>“Two weeks ago there was nothing more stable than Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These were not considered risky assets. <strong>In the last 1½ weeks we have seen this view corrected</strong>” Alexander Vinokurov, chief executive of Kit Finance, a Russian investment bank, told the Financial Times.<br />
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<p>Meanwhile, in Japan the Financial Services Agency <strong>denied reports that it was discouraging banks from investing in Fannie and Freddie debt</strong>.</p>
<p>“Generally speaking, we have been encouraging banks not to invest in products simply on the basis of a triple A rating, but we do not tell financial institutions what they should or should not invest in,” an FSA representative told the FT.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13282</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What&#039;s Wrong With This Picture?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=acz2pOLvm6Oo&amp;refer=home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Wall Street Shrinks From Competing With Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Kathleen M. Howley and Bryan Keogh, &lt;em&gt;Bloomberg&lt;/em&gt;, July 24, 2008.&lt;blockquote&gt;Fannie and Freddie have proved indispensable. The government and the banks that tried to rein them in now rely on the companies to pull the housing market out of its worst slump since the Great Depression and keep the global financial system from collapsing. The combination of falling U.S. home prices and the evaporation of the market for subprime mortgages has left banks and brokers with $467 billion of losses and the inability to extend credit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, <em><strong>What&#8217;s Wrong With This Picture?</strong></em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&#038;sid=acz2pOLvm6Oo&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Wall Street Shrinks From Competing With Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac&#8221;</a>, by Kathleen M. Howley and Bryan Keogh, <em>Bloomberg</em>, July 24, 2008.<br />
<blockquote>Fannie and Freddie have proved indispensable. The government and the banks that tried to rein them in now rely on the companies to pull the housing market out of its worst slump since the Great Depression and keep the global financial system from collapsing. The combination of falling U.S. home prices and the evaporation of the market for subprime mortgages has left banks and brokers with $467 billion of losses and the inability to extend credit.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13281</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>40% of recorded sales in MESA are foreclosures.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/23/20080723mr-foreclose0723.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40% of recorded sales in MESA are foreclosures.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/23/20080723mr-foreclose0723.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/23/20080723mr-foreclose0723.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13280</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Manfre: There are still way too many people that won’t make the mortgage payment if it is 0% if they feel they have negative equity.&quot;

Full circle, it is equity, and only equity.

In every measure home prices are WAY TO HIGH. Why do taxpayers have to come to buy and support a bubble price.  No one is big enough.

Ask an appraiser how to value a home using Income?  Historically it is High is 14X and low is 10X.  You need to ask your self how much would this home rent for?  Multiply by 12 and then again by 12.(10-14 range)

550,000 for a 1300 sq ft home?  What are people thinking Phoenix is? Bethesda Maryland? La Jolla?

Ask yourself if you would refinance your home at 1% if it underwater 100,000 Purchase price 335K and comps at 225K?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Manfre: There are still way too many people that won’t make the mortgage payment if it is 0% if they feel they have negative equity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Full circle, it is equity, and only equity.</p>
<p>In every measure home prices are WAY TO HIGH. Why do taxpayers have to come to buy and support a bubble price.  No one is big enough.</p>
<p>Ask an appraiser how to value a home using Income?  Historically it is High is 14X and low is 10X.  You need to ask your self how much would this home rent for?  Multiply by 12 and then again by 12.(10-14 range)</p>
<p>550,000 for a 1300 sq ft home?  What are people thinking Phoenix is? Bethesda Maryland? La Jolla?</p>
<p>Ask yourself if you would refinance your home at 1% if it underwater 100,000 Purchase price 335K and comps at 225K?</p>
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		<title>By: agnostic</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13279</link>
		<dc:creator>agnostic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But, aha, they can maybe put off the real disaster for the Obama administration. Eureka!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, aha, they can maybe put off the real disaster for the Obama administration. Eureka!</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13278</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PPT, Congress, Fed, the SEC, you name it -- everyone has stuck a fork in or whapped the odd floating frog&#039;s toe with a spurtle over the last few days.  FNM / FRE shareholders must feel like Brownsville TX hang-glider pilots this week!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/07/23/2008-07-23T224229Z_01_N23497297_RTRIDST_0_FANNIE-FREDDIE-BAILOUT.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Fannie and Freddie rescue, a bailout for whom?&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Jennifer Ablan, &lt;em&gt;Reuters / Forbes&lt;/em&gt;, July 23, 2008.&lt;blockquote&gt; Since these sweeping measures were announced on July 13, &lt;strong&gt;securities in Fannie and Freddie have been on a tear&lt;/strong&gt;. For instance, Fannie and Freddie shares are each &lt;strong&gt;up more than 100 percent since their lows on July 11&lt;/strong&gt;, when fear over their fate was at its peak. Fannie closed Wednesday at $15 compared with less than $7 at its July 11 low, while Freddie ended at $10.80, almost triple its July 11 low of $3.89.

Last August, Fannie shares were trading at around $70 and Freddie shares were around $66.

Against the backdrop of the Fannie and Freddie government rescue package, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission last week also &lt;strong&gt;limited naked short sales&lt;/strong&gt; of stock of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and brokerages, helping to &lt;strong&gt;exaggerate moves to the upside&lt;/strong&gt;. In short sales, investors sell borrowed stock in a bet that a company&#039;s share price will decline. In a naked short sale, speculators sell shares they haven&#039;t secured first.

Still, &lt;strong&gt;a real threat to shareholders remains&lt;/strong&gt;: the possibility of a government intervention to buy stock could leave them high and dry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Igor says, &quot;Crash!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PPT, Congress, Fed, the SEC, you name it &#8212; everyone has stuck a fork in or whapped the odd floating frog&#8217;s toe with a spurtle over the last few days.  FNM / FRE shareholders must feel like Brownsville TX hang-glider pilots this week!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/reuters/feeds/reuters/2008/07/23/2008-07-23T224229Z_01_N23497297_RTRIDST_0_FANNIE-FREDDIE-BAILOUT.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Fannie and Freddie rescue, a bailout for whom?&#8221;</a>, by Jennifer Ablan, <em>Reuters / Forbes</em>, July 23, 2008.<br />
<blockquote> Since these sweeping measures were announced on July 13, <strong>securities in Fannie and Freddie have been on a tear</strong>. For instance, Fannie and Freddie shares are each <strong>up more than 100 percent since their lows on July 11</strong>, when fear over their fate was at its peak. Fannie closed Wednesday at $15 compared with less than $7 at its July 11 low, while Freddie ended at $10.80, almost triple its July 11 low of $3.89.</p>
<p>Last August, Fannie shares were trading at around $70 and Freddie shares were around $66.</p>
<p>Against the backdrop of the Fannie and Freddie government rescue package, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission last week also <strong>limited naked short sales</strong> of stock of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and brokerages, helping to <strong>exaggerate moves to the upside</strong>. In short sales, investors sell borrowed stock in a bet that a company&#8217;s share price will decline. In a naked short sale, speculators sell shares they haven&#8217;t secured first.</p>
<p>Still, <strong>a real threat to shareholders remains</strong>: the possibility of a government intervention to buy stock could leave them high and dry.</p></blockquote>
<p>Igor says, &#8220;Crash!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: brucewho</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13277</link>
		<dc:creator>brucewho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So taxpayers get out your pens?  There aren&#039;t enough taxpayers with spit to begin to pay this off!  Its over the top so just keep piling it on, makes no difference now.  WE WILL NEVER PAY IT OFF.  This is oblivion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So taxpayers get out your pens?  There aren&#8217;t enough taxpayers with spit to begin to pay this off!  Its over the top so just keep piling it on, makes no difference now.  WE WILL NEVER PAY IT OFF.  This is oblivion.</p>
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		<title>By: manfre</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13276</link>
		<dc:creator>manfre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read some of the details and feel ill. There are still way too many people that won&#039;t make the mortgage payment if it is 0% if they feel they have negative equity.

The bulk of the benefit is for the corporations and investors. The government is only going to make the correction longer than it would normally be.

I am wondering if I should load up on some more financial stocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read some of the details and feel ill. There are still way too many people that won&#8217;t make the mortgage payment if it is 0% if they feel they have negative equity.</p>
<p>The bulk of the benefit is for the corporations and investors. The government is only going to make the correction longer than it would normally be.</p>
<p>I am wondering if I should load up on some more financial stocks.</p>
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		<title>By: dogtownsurfer</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13275</link>
		<dc:creator>dogtownsurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link, I am too bummed out to try this again.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=aMz0dl3IdwjU&amp;refer=home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link, I am too bummed out to try this again.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&#038;sid=aMz0dl3IdwjU&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&#038;sid=aMz0dl3IdwjU&#038;refer=home</a></p>
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		<title>By: dogtownsurfer</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13274</link>
		<dc:creator>dogtownsurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Need a little work on that blockquote thingy, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need a little work on that blockquote thingy, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: dogtownsurfer</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13273</link>
		<dc:creator>dogtownsurfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gets better.

According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&amp;sid=aMz0dl3IdwjU&amp;refer=home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bloomberg today&lt;/a&gt; Fannie and Freddie are taking in houses via REO twice as quickly as they are able to unload them, at any price -

&lt;blockquote&gt;Fannie Mae acquired twice as many homes through foreclosure in the first quarter as it sold, regulatory filings show. Unsold properties may weigh on the company&#039;s stock, which lost almost half its value since June 5, said Moshe Orenbuch, managing director of equity research at Credit Suisse Group AG in New York. Late payments on the company&#039;s home loans, a harbinger of foreclosures, almost doubled in the past year.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not only that, but the rate of recovery when selling an REO has dropped by about 20% over the last three years.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The typical price Fannie Mae received for foreclosed homes sold in the first quarter fell to 74 percent of the unpaid mortgage principal from 93 percent in 2005, according to Harrison.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So, they are taking in more and more homes, they are getting less and less for the ones they are able to sell, and prices keep going down.

How is it possible for any sane human to not see the enormous liability we are creating for ALL of us in order to bail out a select few?

At this point the only thing that could possibly cheer me up is if Bernanke and Paulson both go out drinking tonight to celebrate the passage of this bill, both get plastered, and and wind up plowing into each other on the Beltway at 100 mph because when  each saw the other getting too close they both instinctively swerved left.

Not surprisingly Igor says: tragic

[edits following hints below -- jm]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gets better.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&#038;sid=aMz0dl3IdwjU&#038;refer=home" rel="nofollow">Bloomberg today</a> Fannie and Freddie are taking in houses via REO twice as quickly as they are able to unload them, at any price -</p>
<blockquote><p>Fannie Mae acquired twice as many homes through foreclosure in the first quarter as it sold, regulatory filings show. Unsold properties may weigh on the company&#8217;s stock, which lost almost half its value since June 5, said Moshe Orenbuch, managing director of equity research at Credit Suisse Group AG in New York. Late payments on the company&#8217;s home loans, a harbinger of foreclosures, almost doubled in the past year.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not only that, but the rate of recovery when selling an REO has dropped by about 20% over the last three years.</p>
<blockquote><p>The typical price Fannie Mae received for foreclosed homes sold in the first quarter fell to 74 percent of the unpaid mortgage principal from 93 percent in 2005, according to Harrison.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, they are taking in more and more homes, they are getting less and less for the ones they are able to sell, and prices keep going down.</p>
<p>How is it possible for any sane human to not see the enormous liability we are creating for ALL of us in order to bail out a select few?</p>
<p>At this point the only thing that could possibly cheer me up is if Bernanke and Paulson both go out drinking tonight to celebrate the passage of this bill, both get plastered, and and wind up plowing into each other on the Beltway at 100 mph because when  each saw the other getting too close they both instinctively swerved left.</p>
<p>Not surprisingly Igor says: tragic</p>
<p>[edits following hints below -- jm]</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13272</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT&#039;s editorial writer is smokin&#039; today ...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1ae35138-58e6-11dd-a093-000077b07658.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Fannie and Freddie&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;em&gt;Financial Times&lt;/em&gt;, July 23, 2008.&lt;blockquote&gt;In other words, by doubling down on its great government-sponsored enterprise gamble, the government will either get away scot-free, for the time being, or else be forced to hand taxpayers a bill amounting to many hundreds of dollars per household. Standing ready to help the GSEs may be enough to ensure their access to private finance at no additional public outlay. But if the Treasury loses its bet, the cost is unlikely to be as low as $25bn. Remember that the GSEs’ loans and guarantees come to $5,200bn, that some 15 per cent is risky (alt-A or subprime) and that US house prices have not touched bottom. Remember too that the capital of the GSEs was a meagre $7bn on a fair-value basis in March. Taxpayer losses in excess of $100bn are by no means unthinkable.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet in the long run the worst outcome may be that the Treasury gets away with it, and the GSEs survive as they are. The moral hazard in granting these weakly regulated pseudo-private entities an unlimited guarantee has been raised to a new and extreme point. In the end, Fannie and Freddie should either be dismantled or brought within the public sector. Emboldened evasion of that unpalatable choice will increase the final cost to taxpayers, to say nothing of the collateral damage along the way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT&#8217;s editorial writer is smokin&#8217; today &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1ae35138-58e6-11dd-a093-000077b07658.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Fannie and Freddie&#8221;</a>, <em>Financial Times</em>, July 23, 2008.<br />
<blockquote>In other words, by doubling down on its great government-sponsored enterprise gamble, the government will either get away scot-free, for the time being, or else be forced to hand taxpayers a bill amounting to many hundreds of dollars per household. Standing ready to help the GSEs may be enough to ensure their access to private finance at no additional public outlay. But if the Treasury loses its bet, the cost is unlikely to be as low as $25bn. Remember that the GSEs’ loans and guarantees come to $5,200bn, that some 15 per cent is risky (alt-A or subprime) and that US house prices have not touched bottom. Remember too that the capital of the GSEs was a meagre $7bn on a fair-value basis in March. Taxpayer losses in excess of $100bn are by no means unthinkable.</p>
<p>Yet in the long run the worst outcome may be that the Treasury gets away with it, and the GSEs survive as they are. The moral hazard in granting these weakly regulated pseudo-private entities an unlimited guarantee has been raised to a new and extreme point. In the end, Fannie and Freddie should either be dismantled or brought within the public sector. Emboldened evasion of that unpalatable choice will increase the final cost to taxpayers, to say nothing of the collateral damage along the way.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13271</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 16:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just checked, Jumbo rates unchanged from 90 days ago,(6.75%)agencies now at(6.625%)up 100 basis points.  That is the facts. Instead of dropping Jumbos, it raised rates for 90% of the market.  FHA loans which traded .25% below agencies are now at 7.00%  Above Jumbos!!!

Thank your congress as they pass the cost to consumers for the benefit of Banks.  They Borrow form the FED at 2% and lend out at 7%!! This does improve the balance sheet at consumers expense.

This will further DEPRESSS home prices.  75% of lending is FHA today.  FHA rates are now 7.8625 APR when including the new upfront MI, fees and new monthly Mortgage insurance rates effective July 15th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just checked, Jumbo rates unchanged from 90 days ago,(6.75%)agencies now at(6.625%)up 100 basis points.  That is the facts. Instead of dropping Jumbos, it raised rates for 90% of the market.  FHA loans which traded .25% below agencies are now at 7.00%  Above Jumbos!!!</p>
<p>Thank your congress as they pass the cost to consumers for the benefit of Banks.  They Borrow form the FED at 2% and lend out at 7%!! This does improve the balance sheet at consumers expense.</p>
<p>This will further DEPRESSS home prices.  75% of lending is FHA today.  FHA rates are now 7.8625 APR when including the new upfront MI, fees and new monthly Mortgage insurance rates effective July 15th.</p>
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		<title>By: Poirot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poirot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish &lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; could leverage myself at a ratio of 1:65, go insolvent, and then get an unlimited line of credit. That&#039;d be SWEEEEET!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish <b>I</b> could leverage myself at a ratio of 1:65, go insolvent, and then get an unlimited line of credit. That&#8217;d be SWEEEEET!</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13269</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FNM was charted for affordable housing.  Why is a 650,000 home now the affordable house that tax payers are forced to support.

Median income is 65,000! a year.  That is 5416/mo.  FNM guidelines say that equates to 1,570/mo for PITI.  That translates to a 198,700 loan/ 248,400 purchase. (at 6.5%)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FNM was charted for affordable housing.  Why is a 650,000 home now the affordable house that tax payers are forced to support.</p>
<p>Median income is 65,000! a year.  That is 5416/mo.  FNM guidelines say that equates to 1,570/mo for PITI.  That translates to a 198,700 loan/ 248,400 purchase. (at 6.5%)</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13268</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Continuing on #3, Doomers need not read the panegyric to Fractional Reserve Banking on the second page, but the author&#039;s first point about the Fed&#039;s target rate is apropos to policy &lt;em&gt;vs&lt;/em&gt; house prices.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/21/AR2008072102491.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Two Fed Myths That Need Debunking&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Alan Sloan, &lt;em&gt;Washington Post&lt;/em&gt;, July 22, 2008.&lt;blockquote&gt;The case in point: the relationship -- or lack of one -- between the federal funds rate and the interest rate on long-term mortgages.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since September, the Fed has reduced the federal funds rate by 62 percent -- to 2 percent from 5.25 percent. But long-term mortgage rates are higher now than they were on Sept. 18, when the Fed began its rate cuts.&lt;br /&gt;
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The rate on a 30-year, fixed-rate conforming mortgage -- &quot;conforming&quot; means that the mortgage can be sold to mortgage guarantors Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac -- was 6.44 percent the week before the Fed&#039;s first cut and was recently 6.51 percent. Jumbo mortgages -- those too big to be considered conforming -- were going for 7.63 percent, up from 7.26 percent. (All of these numbers include upfront points that borrowers pay, in addition to their basic interest rate.)&lt;br /&gt;
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The Fed and Treasury and many of the world&#039;s big financial players would love to have U.S. mortgage rates decline because that would lend support to home prices, which could use it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Falling home values -- what we have in most U.S. housing markets -- increase foreclosures, which increase borrowers&#039; pain and lenders&#039; losses. &lt;strong&gt;The declining value of houses as collateral for mortgages &lt;em&gt;makes lenders less eager to lend&lt;/em&gt; and potential home purchasers far less eager to buy.&lt;/strong&gt; It&#039;s a &lt;strong&gt;vicious cycle&lt;/strong&gt; that will end sooner or later -- everything does -- but it&#039;s not something that the Fed (or any individual regulator or player) can control. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing on #3, Doomers need not read the panegyric to Fractional Reserve Banking on the second page, but the author&#8217;s first point about the Fed&#8217;s target rate is apropos to policy <em>vs</em> house prices.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/21/AR2008072102491.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Two Fed Myths That Need Debunking&#8221;</a>, by Alan Sloan, <em>Washington Post</em>, July 22, 2008.<br />
<blockquote>The case in point: the relationship &#8212; or lack of one &#8212; between the federal funds rate and the interest rate on long-term mortgages.</p>
<p>Since September, the Fed has reduced the federal funds rate by 62 percent &#8212; to 2 percent from 5.25 percent. But long-term mortgage rates are higher now than they were on Sept. 18, when the Fed began its rate cuts.</p>
<p>The rate on a 30-year, fixed-rate conforming mortgage &#8212; &#8220;conforming&#8221; means that the mortgage can be sold to mortgage guarantors Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac &#8212; was 6.44 percent the week before the Fed&#8217;s first cut and was recently 6.51 percent. Jumbo mortgages &#8212; those too big to be considered conforming &#8212; were going for 7.63 percent, up from 7.26 percent. (All of these numbers include upfront points that borrowers pay, in addition to their basic interest rate.)</p>
<p>The Fed and Treasury and many of the world&#8217;s big financial players would love to have U.S. mortgage rates decline because that would lend support to home prices, which could use it.</p>
<p>Falling home values &#8212; what we have in most U.S. housing markets &#8212; increase foreclosures, which increase borrowers&#8217; pain and lenders&#8217; losses. <strong>The declining value of houses as collateral for mortgages <em>makes lenders less eager to lend</em> and potential home purchasers far less eager to buy.</strong> It&#8217;s a <strong>vicious cycle</strong> that will end sooner or later &#8212; everything does &#8212; but it&#8217;s not something that the Fed (or any individual regulator or player) can control. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: mortgagemess</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13267</link>
		<dc:creator>mortgagemess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to Socialism in a Democratic Society...by the way where do we put in our request for a &quot;blank&quot; check for ourselves..I want to be the first in line...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to Socialism in a Democratic Society&#8230;by the way where do we put in our request for a &#8220;blank&#8221; check for ourselves..I want to be the first in line&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13266</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coffee -

I&#039;ve been worried about that point for a while now.

In particular, that&#039;s the fatal flaw in Roubini&#039;s suggestion to shake down the agency debt investors, because any move against them will cause GSE debt yields to sky-rocket, which drives 30-year fixed, etc., rates through the roof, which further collapses house prices, which increases the damage to F&amp;F so they have to further shake down the debt holders ...

I.e. a non-linear &quot;vicious circle&quot; that nobody&#039;s modeled for in their risk management models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coffee -</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been worried about that point for a while now.</p>
<p>In particular, that&#8217;s the fatal flaw in Roubini&#8217;s suggestion to shake down the agency debt investors, because any move against them will cause GSE debt yields to sky-rocket, which drives 30-year fixed, etc., rates through the roof, which further collapses house prices, which increases the damage to F&#038;F so they have to further shake down the debt holders &#8230;</p>
<p>I.e. a non-linear &#8220;vicious circle&#8221; that nobody&#8217;s modeled for in their risk management models.</p>
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		<title>By: Coffee</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13265</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill to increase FNM and FRE loan limits. Reason given is to &quot;lower Jumbo loans down to Conforming loan rates&quot;. Hello, Jumbo rates are market rates, FNM and FRE are not, they are subsidized rates.  Open the spicket and rates will go up on Conforming rates to the free market rate, the Jumbo rates. Result:

Mortgage rates over 7% for ALL vs 5.5% in March 2008!

That should really help housing prices.  Do people realize houses are &quot;debt instruments&quot; and when rates rise VALUES DROP!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill to increase FNM and FRE loan limits. Reason given is to &#8220;lower Jumbo loans down to Conforming loan rates&#8221;. Hello, Jumbo rates are market rates, FNM and FRE are not, they are subsidized rates.  Open the spicket and rates will go up on Conforming rates to the free market rate, the Jumbo rates. Result:</p>
<p>Mortgage rates over 7% for ALL vs 5.5% in March 2008!</p>
<p>That should really help housing prices.  Do people realize houses are &#8220;debt instruments&#8221; and when rates rise VALUES DROP!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith-

There&#039;s that saying about &quot;Absolute power corrupts absolutely&quot;  I suspect &quot;unlimited line of credit&quot; does the same thing.  I believe it has just become incorrect to write &quot;moral hazard&quot;. The correct way to write it now is &lt;b&gt;MORAL HAZARD&lt;/b&gt;.

No, that&#039;s still not quite right, is it?  Maybe I need to increase the type size a few points.

Igor says &quot;foolish&quot;- I think Igor is being generous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith-</p>
<p>There&#8217;s that saying about &#8220;Absolute power corrupts absolutely&#8221;  I suspect &#8220;unlimited line of credit&#8221; does the same thing.  I believe it has just become incorrect to write &#8220;moral hazard&#8221;. The correct way to write it now is <b>MORAL HAZARD</b>.</p>
<p>No, that&#8217;s still not quite right, is it?  Maybe I need to increase the type size a few points.</p>
<p>Igor says &#8220;foolish&#8221;- I think Igor is being generous.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2008/07/23/bush-to-sign-carte-blanche-for-fannie-and-freddie/#comment-13263</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It hands the Treasury Department the power to extend the government-sponsored mortgage companies an unlimited line of credit&quot;

And who among us doens&#039;t implicitly trust the gov&#039;t with a blank check?

Why do we need a bill to increase confidence in the market?  This is just wrong.  We don&#039;t need a bill, we need a correction.

Igor says &quot;you&#039;re screwed&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It hands the Treasury Department the power to extend the government-sponsored mortgage companies an unlimited line of credit&#8221;</p>
<p>And who among us doens&#8217;t implicitly trust the gov&#8217;t with a blank check?</p>
<p>Why do we need a bill to increase confidence in the market?  This is just wrong.  We don&#8217;t need a bill, we need a correction.</p>
<p>Igor says &#8220;you&#8217;re screwed&#8221;</p>
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