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		<title>By: Laura Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for bringing attention to this issue.

I would note that, while you are absolutely correct that this is a huge harm to consumers &amp; customers, there is also a large, mostly unrecognized, threat to national security.  To grasp the import, think of the wide-scale damage endemic in mass identity theft, &amp; access to regulated systems.

The bad guys already know this.  It&#039;s our side that does not understand our exposure.

(Disclosure: my colleagues &amp; I work on this commercially.  Obviously.  We also do a lot of volunteer work to educate stakeholders, because we are so concerned about the harm to consumers, shareholders, &amp; national security due to failure to adequately protect regulated information &amp; systems during the meltdown.
Info here:
http://yourmortgageoryourlife.wordpress.com/information-security/)

Laura Wilson, JD, CISA candidate
Phoenix, AZ
www.techlex.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for bringing attention to this issue.</p>
<p>I would note that, while you are absolutely correct that this is a huge harm to consumers &amp; customers, there is also a large, mostly unrecognized, threat to national security.  To grasp the import, think of the wide-scale damage endemic in mass identity theft, &amp; access to regulated systems.</p>
<p>The bad guys already know this.  It&#8217;s our side that does not understand our exposure.</p>
<p>(Disclosure: my colleagues &amp; I work on this commercially.  Obviously.  We also do a lot of volunteer work to educate stakeholders, because we are so concerned about the harm to consumers, shareholders, &amp; national security due to failure to adequately protect regulated information &amp; systems during the meltdown.<br />
Info here:<br />
<a href="http://yourmortgageoryourlife.wordpress.com/information-security/" rel="nofollow">http://yourmortgageoryourlife.wordpress.com/information-security/</a>)</p>
<p>Laura Wilson, JD, CISA candidate<br />
Phoenix, AZ<br />
<a href="http://www.techlex.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.techlex.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: freemonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>freemonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AZ, I have another short story like yours. Had a guy trying to pull a credit card scam(from california of course). Things didn&#039;t look right so I drove to the house. Saw cars with cali plates and watched them drive off at 9:55 a.m. Shopping? So I went to the door and knocked and the man that answered the door said the party I was looking for was his son but that he was slightly retarded. I said I needed to see some i.d and he left the room(which was empty except for a big tv still in the box) and came back and said his son didn&#039;t want to make the purchase. I called the police, the c.c. company and guess what. Nobody cared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AZ, I have another short story like yours. Had a guy trying to pull a credit card scam(from california of course). Things didn&#8217;t look right so I drove to the house. Saw cars with cali plates and watched them drive off at 9:55 a.m. Shopping? So I went to the door and knocked and the man that answered the door said the party I was looking for was his son but that he was slightly retarded. I said I needed to see some i.d and he left the room(which was empty except for a big tv still in the box) and came back and said his son didn&#8217;t want to make the purchase. I called the police, the c.c. company and guess what. Nobody cared.</p>
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		<title>By: AZSALUKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZSALUKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a good friend that realized someone had got his credit card info. Luckily he caught it before the person used it much. However, there was a purchase of a number of pairs of shoes on it (online order). It was too late to cancel the purchase as the shoes were already in route via UPS. So he contacted UPS instead and got them to give him the shipping address. It was a residence in TX so he called the local authorities. They told him to notify UPS and have them return the merchandise to the vendor (that&#039;s also what the credit card company told him). We didn&#039;t get it? He found the address that the &quot;stolen goods&quot; were goin to. All the police had to do was show up when UPS showed up??? Nobody cares. I realized after that, that they just don&#039;t care (police and credit card companies).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a good friend that realized someone had got his credit card info. Luckily he caught it before the person used it much. However, there was a purchase of a number of pairs of shoes on it (online order). It was too late to cancel the purchase as the shoes were already in route via UPS. So he contacted UPS instead and got them to give him the shipping address. It was a residence in TX so he called the local authorities. They told him to notify UPS and have them return the merchandise to the vendor (that&#8217;s also what the credit card company told him). We didn&#8217;t get it? He found the address that the &#8220;stolen goods&#8221; were goin to. All the police had to do was show up when UPS showed up??? Nobody cares. I realized after that, that they just don&#8217;t care (police and credit card companies).</p>
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		<title>By: freemonster</title>
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		<dc:creator>freemonster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former Silver State customer I&#039;m not very pleased with this info. I&#039;ve had a personal disgust with this sort of crime and the gov&#039;s apparent lack of interest. I had a convicted felon attempt to scam my store in LV on a credit app and the same detective that got this clown before got him this time. After numerous trips to court it became very evident he knew how to play the game and got off with probation. The victim was from Wisconsin and had to come to LV on multiple occasions only to see the stall tactic work brilliantly. As our economy keeps tanking I think it&#039;s safe to say nobody, from any of the parties, really cares about any safeguards to the citizens. The older I get the clearer this becomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former Silver State customer I&#8217;m not very pleased with this info. I&#8217;ve had a personal disgust with this sort of crime and the gov&#8217;s apparent lack of interest. I had a convicted felon attempt to scam my store in LV on a credit app and the same detective that got this clown before got him this time. After numerous trips to court it became very evident he knew how to play the game and got off with probation. The victim was from Wisconsin and had to come to LV on multiple occasions only to see the stall tactic work brilliantly. As our economy keeps tanking I think it&#8217;s safe to say nobody, from any of the parties, really cares about any safeguards to the citizens. The older I get the clearer this becomes.</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twist -

Heaven knows we tried at the time.  I also filled out a couple of online forms (tracking numbers probably available if I dig deep enough) to the relevant authorities pointing at our info.

If anyone wants to do follow-up on the following, you might want to check that the 1 1/2 year old contact info is still good.  Things may have changed in the meanwhile.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Thanks so much, mom, I couldn&#039;t have asked for more.&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
Love, John &lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;

-----Original Message-----&lt;br /&gt;
....&lt;br /&gt;
Sent: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:15 PM&lt;br /&gt;
Subject: Re: blog post - haiku for housing&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Dear John,  I have just spent five minutes plus on the phone with one of Tierney&#039;s aides.  She was very polite and after I requested that much time she said fine and I read the important parts of your letter and carefullly gave her the blog address so she could look it up.  That&#039;s all I can do for now ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[from my original e-mail ...]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mom, I have a big favor to ask.  In my researches into the US housing
industry I&#039;ve discovered that in recent months dozens of small branch
offices of mortgage brokers have been going out of business daily.  The
problem is that they are closing up shop so quickly that there seems
no time to properly secure the paperwork and computerized files for
their customers before they close up.  When inevitably their assets are
sold at auction, the auctioneer generally has no guidance about destroying
paperwork or erasing electronic media like computer hard drives.  I covered
one particular case in Newark California where the auctioneer was actually
listing HP Computers from a defunct Golden Gate Mortgage storefront to
be sold off last Wednesday.  My post on this is here.&lt;br /&gt;
 http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/28/craigslist-points-at-possible-subprime-storefront-shutdown/&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is an obvious risk for identity theft against the innocent mortgage
customers of the closed-up shops.  I see that your local Congressman,
John F. Tierney, alas a Democrat but still the Chairman of the Subcommittee
on National Security and Foreign Affairs of the Committee on Oversight and
Government Reform, has a particular interest in Identity Theft issues.
You, or perhaps someone like [we have other
family in Teirney&#039;s district], would have more luck than
I presenting this problem to his local constituency office.  ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Since I&#039;ve posted this stuff online on the housing blog, there&#039;s nothing
confidential about this information.  Feel free to discuss it with anyone
appropriate who might be able to advise what should be done next.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Rep Tierney&#039;s Q&amp;A about Identity theft is here&lt;br /&gt;
 http://www.house.gov/tierney/qa/identitytheft.shtml&lt;br /&gt;
and his contact form online is here&lt;br /&gt;
 http://www.house.gov/tierney/IMA/email.shtml&lt;br /&gt;
where it lists his local offices:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Peabody&lt;br /&gt;
17 Peabody Square&lt;br /&gt;
Peabody, MA 01960&lt;br /&gt;
Phone: (978) 531-1669&lt;br /&gt;
Fax: (978) 531-1996&lt;br /&gt;
Lynn&lt;br /&gt;
Rm. 105, Lynn City Hall&lt;br /&gt;
Lynn, MA 01902&lt;br /&gt;
Phone: (781) 595-7375&lt;br /&gt;
Fax: (781) 595-7492&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been in touch with a reporter working for a major New York
business publication, and they are interested in pursuing the matter,
but in the meantime, I would much like to try as many routes as
possible to inform the authorities about this problem.  In my
opinion it&#039;s something that should be addressed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>twist -</p>
<p>Heaven knows we tried at the time.  I also filled out a couple of online forms (tracking numbers probably available if I dig deep enough) to the relevant authorities pointing at our info.</p>
<p>If anyone wants to do follow-up on the following, you might want to check that the 1 1/2 year old contact info is still good.  Things may have changed in the meanwhile.</p>
<blockquote><p>
Thanks so much, mom, I couldn&#8217;t have asked for more.</p>
<p>Love, John </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&#8230;.<br />
Sent: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:15 PM<br />
Subject: Re: blog post &#8211; haiku for housing</p>
<p>Dear John,  I have just spent five minutes plus on the phone with one of Tierney&#8217;s aides.  She was very polite and after I requested that much time she said fine and I read the important parts of your letter and carefullly gave her the blog address so she could look it up.  That&#8217;s all I can do for now &#8230;</p>
<p>[from my original e-mail ...]</p>
<p>Mom, I have a big favor to ask.  In my researches into the US housing<br />
industry I&#8217;ve discovered that in recent months dozens of small branch<br />
offices of mortgage brokers have been going out of business daily.  The<br />
problem is that they are closing up shop so quickly that there seems<br />
no time to properly secure the paperwork and computerized files for<br />
their customers before they close up.  When inevitably their assets are<br />
sold at auction, the auctioneer generally has no guidance about destroying<br />
paperwork or erasing electronic media like computer hard drives.  I covered<br />
one particular case in Newark California where the auctioneer was actually<br />
listing HP Computers from a defunct Golden Gate Mortgage storefront to<br />
be sold off last Wednesday.  My post on this is here.<br />
 <a href="http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/28/craigslist-points-at-possible-subprime-storefront-shutdown/" rel="nofollow">http://housingdoom.com/2007/01/28/craigslist-points-at-possible-subprime-storefront-shutdown/</a></p>
<p>This is an obvious risk for identity theft against the innocent mortgage<br />
customers of the closed-up shops.  I see that your local Congressman,<br />
John F. Tierney, alas a Democrat but still the Chairman of the Subcommittee<br />
on National Security and Foreign Affairs of the Committee on Oversight and<br />
Government Reform, has a particular interest in Identity Theft issues.<br />
You, or perhaps someone like [we have other<br />
family in Teirney's district], would have more luck than<br />
I presenting this problem to his local constituency office.  &#8230;</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;ve posted this stuff online on the housing blog, there&#8217;s nothing<br />
confidential about this information.  Feel free to discuss it with anyone<br />
appropriate who might be able to advise what should be done next.</p>
<p>Rep Tierney&#8217;s Q&#038;A about Identity theft is here<br />
 <a href="http://www.house.gov/tierney/qa/identitytheft.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/tierney/qa/identitytheft.shtml</a><br />
and his contact form online is here<br />
 <a href="http://www.house.gov/tierney/IMA/email.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.house.gov/tierney/IMA/email.shtml</a><br />
where it lists his local offices:</p>
<p>Peabody<br />
17 Peabody Square<br />
Peabody, MA 01960<br />
Phone: (978) 531-1669<br />
Fax: (978) 531-1996<br />
Lynn<br />
Rm. 105, Lynn City Hall<br />
Lynn, MA 01902<br />
Phone: (781) 595-7375<br />
Fax: (781) 595-7492<br />
I&#8217;ve been in touch with a reporter working for a major New York<br />
business publication, and they are interested in pursuing the matter,<br />
but in the meantime, I would much like to try as many routes as<br />
possible to inform the authorities about this problem.  In my<br />
opinion it&#8217;s something that should be addressed.</p></blockquote>
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