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	<title>Comments on: Homebuilders Having A Tough Time Competing With Lenders</title>
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		<title>By: brookstomlin</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/03/11/homebuilders-having-a-tough-time-competing-with-lenders/#comment-16002</link>
		<dc:creator>brookstomlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, let me disagree here.  I&#039;m a long-time reader (2+ years) but just posted my first the other day.

Builders are slowing.  Look at housing starts nationwide, down drastically.  Homebuilders are not building as many homes, especially in areas which aren&#039;t profitable.  At least.....smart builders are slowing.  Here in the Charleston, SC area, one town had 0 housing starts in February (same town had over 1,000 starts in 2006).  Actually, chart is here.....
New Summerville residential building permits:

2007: 1,100.
2008: 229
2009: 3 (January-February).


One more point I&#039;d like to make....I know there are many neighborhoods chock-full of foreclosures.  Odds are that many of the occupied homes are full of.....subprimes?  Alt-a&#039;s?  What does it feel like driving through such neighborhoods?  Is it somewhere you&#039;d like to move with a family?  Doubtful.  I imagine (just my hunch) that many people looking for a home in the next few years will avoid such neighborhoods and buy either a new home in a neighborhood where credit scores at purchase were &gt;680 or a 20+ year old neighborhood...

Twist, as always, though-provoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, let me disagree here.  I&#8217;m a long-time reader (2+ years) but just posted my first the other day.</p>
<p>Builders are slowing.  Look at housing starts nationwide, down drastically.  Homebuilders are not building as many homes, especially in areas which aren&#8217;t profitable.  At least&#8230;..smart builders are slowing.  Here in the Charleston, SC area, one town had 0 housing starts in February (same town had over 1,000 starts in 2006).  Actually, chart is here&#8230;..<br />
New Summerville residential building permits:</p>
<p>2007: 1,100.<br />
2008: 229<br />
2009: 3 (January-February).</p>
<p>One more point I&#8217;d like to make&#8230;.I know there are many neighborhoods chock-full of foreclosures.  Odds are that many of the occupied homes are full of&#8230;..subprimes?  Alt-a&#8217;s?  What does it feel like driving through such neighborhoods?  Is it somewhere you&#8217;d like to move with a family?  Doubtful.  I imagine (just my hunch) that many people looking for a home in the next few years will avoid such neighborhoods and buy either a new home in a neighborhood where credit scores at purchase were &gt;680 or a 20+ year old neighborhood&#8230;</p>
<p>Twist, as always, though-provoking.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MtnMike-

HBs aren&#039;t wondering why they can&#039;t sell more- they know.  If only the government would subsidize the new homes so that they are cheaper than the competition, at least what sells will be a new home.

Of course, that leaves us with an ever increasing supply of existing homes that are diminishing in value, but hey, you can&#039;t have everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MtnMike-</p>
<p>HBs aren&#8217;t wondering why they can&#8217;t sell more- they know.  If only the government would subsidize the new homes so that they are cheaper than the competition, at least what sells will be a new home.</p>
<p>Of course, that leaves us with an ever increasing supply of existing homes that are diminishing in value, but hey, you can&#8217;t have everything.</p>
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		<title>By: mtnmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mtnmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AZSALUKI,

Surely you aren&#039;t trying to tell me that exponential growth in finite world is physically and mathematically impossible?

Well darn, there goes the idea for my new multi-level marketing program!

And I&#039;m with Egor, I&#039;m outraged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AZSALUKI,</p>
<p>Surely you aren&#8217;t trying to tell me that exponential growth in finite world is physically and mathematically impossible?</p>
<p>Well darn, there goes the idea for my new multi-level marketing program!</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m with Egor, I&#8217;m outraged.</p>
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		<title>By: AZSALUKI</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/03/11/homebuilders-having-a-tough-time-competing-with-lenders/#comment-15999</link>
		<dc:creator>AZSALUKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mtnmike,

it&#039;s an evergrowing economy so there will always be more buyers......in the same way that it&#039;s an evergrowing workforce so social security will always have healthy growth.....oh wait...ooops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mtnmike,</p>
<p>it&#8217;s an evergrowing economy so there will always be more buyers&#8230;&#8230;in the same way that it&#8217;s an evergrowing workforce so social security will always have healthy growth&#8230;..oh wait&#8230;ooops.</p>
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		<title>By: mtnmike</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/03/11/homebuilders-having-a-tough-time-competing-with-lenders/#comment-15998</link>
		<dc:creator>mtnmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see. You sell everyone a home who can afford one and then you sell everyone a home who can&#039;t afford one and then you build tons of government subsidized rental housing and then you foreclose on the folks who couldn&#039;t afford a home in the first place which causes some of the folks to lose their jobs who built the homes for those who couldn&#039;t afford them in the first place and then former builders can no longer afford their homes; who does that leave to buy the colossal surplus of homes that no one can afford?

And the home builders continue to wonder what happened and why they can&#039;t build more homes. Life is a mystery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see. You sell everyone a home who can afford one and then you sell everyone a home who can&#8217;t afford one and then you build tons of government subsidized rental housing and then you foreclose on the folks who couldn&#8217;t afford a home in the first place which causes some of the folks to lose their jobs who built the homes for those who couldn&#8217;t afford them in the first place and then former builders can no longer afford their homes; who does that leave to buy the colossal surplus of homes that no one can afford?</p>
<p>And the home builders continue to wonder what happened and why they can&#8217;t build more homes. Life is a mystery.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-

I couldn&#039;t agree more.

L told me that during the S&amp;L crisis, HBs didn&#039;t stop building until the lenders took away their nails.  This time around I worry that Big Brother will do what the lenders won&#039;t and keep HBs supplied with plenty on nails- and the market supplied with too many houses.

Igor&#039;s &quot;outraged&quot; this morning.  I think we need to start buying him the decaffinated spam for breakfast- he&#039;s getting a little testy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more.</p>
<p>L told me that during the S&#038;L crisis, HBs didn&#8217;t stop building until the lenders took away their nails.  This time around I worry that Big Brother will do what the lenders won&#8217;t and keep HBs supplied with plenty on nails- and the market supplied with too many houses.</p>
<p>Igor&#8217;s &#8220;outraged&#8221; this morning.  I think we need to start buying him the decaffinated spam for breakfast- he&#8217;s getting a little testy.</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twist -

Short of letting a squadron of B52s loose on the IE, what better way to reduce inventory than for the market to impose a holiday on the HBs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>twist -</p>
<p>Short of letting a squadron of B52s loose on the IE, what better way to reduce inventory than for the market to impose a holiday on the HBs?</p>
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