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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/07/15/aleynikov-lets-go-deep/#comment-16986</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Hello!&lt;/em&gt;

This 2-year-old puff piece has just grabbed attention for other reasons, but Serge&#039;s defence team should note a strong hint in the subtext that Lloyd and Ken may have been spending a considerable amount of quality time together in recent years.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/business/worldbusiness/11iht-goldman.4.6096734.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Goldman chief quietly builds a financial giant&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Jenny Anderson, &lt;em&gt;New York Times, June 6, 2007.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
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<p>This 2-year-old puff piece has just grabbed attention for other reasons, but Serge&#8217;s defence team should note a strong hint in the subtext that Lloyd and Ken may have been spending a considerable amount of quality time together in recent years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/11/business/worldbusiness/11iht-goldman.4.6096734.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Goldman chief quietly builds a financial giant&#8221;</a>, by Jenny Anderson, <em>New York Times, June 6, 2007.</em></p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/07/15/aleynikov-lets-go-deep/#comment-16985</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twist -

Too true, but the boss only owns &lt;em&gt;the rabbits&lt;/em&gt; if he expresses at some point that he &lt;em&gt;wants&lt;/em&gt; them.  If Jerry O. Tuttle had done everything with is toes nicely pointed we&#039;d still be stuck with $#%@*&amp; &lt;em&gt;WMCCS&lt;/em&gt; for pete&#039;s sake.
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Now here&#039;s a post author we could cast as the &quot;hard-bitten detective&quot; on the case.  Looks like he comes down mostly on your (comment #5) side; however, from his experience looks like GS could have pulled this FBI-in-the-loop exploit on just about anyone they&#039;d have cared to target.  Coders living in terror -- now there&#039;s a recipe for a productive staff  :(

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eddupdate.com/2009/07/the-aleynikov-affair-from-newark-with-code.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Aleynikov Affair: From Newark with Code&quot;&lt;/a&gt;, by Craig Ball, &lt;em&gt;EDD Update&lt;/em&gt;, July 17, 2009.&lt;blockquote&gt;So, I discussed how two-thirds of departing white collar employees carry off proprietary data and the &quot;it&#039;s my data&quot; syndrome and moral ambiguity of the act. I detailed the vector analysis needed to assess these cases and the often clumsy anti-forensic activity used to cover tracks. ...&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
When all is said and done, the Aleynikov Affair will probably turn out to be more flash than fire, a point borne out in a rambling &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/opinion/17osinski.html?_r=1&amp;th&amp;emc=th&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;guest op-ed in the Times&lt;/a&gt; on July 17, 2009.  Sure, it&#039;s a good story with the tang of corporate espionage played out for billions on the world stage, but don&#039;t be surprised if it quietly spins down ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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<p>Too true, but the boss only owns <em>the rabbits</em> if he expresses at some point that he <em>wants</em> them.  If Jerry O. Tuttle had done everything with is toes nicely pointed we&#8217;d still be stuck with $#%@*&#038; <em>WMCCS</em> for pete&#8217;s sake.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Now here&#8217;s a post author we could cast as the &#8220;hard-bitten detective&#8221; on the case.  Looks like he comes down mostly on your (comment #5) side; however, from his experience looks like GS could have pulled this FBI-in-the-loop exploit on just about anyone they&#8217;d have cared to target.  Coders living in terror &#8212; now there&#8217;s a recipe for a productive staff  <img src='http://housingdoom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.eddupdate.com/2009/07/the-aleynikov-affair-from-newark-with-code.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Aleynikov Affair: From Newark with Code&#8221;</a>, by Craig Ball, <em>EDD Update</em>, July 17, 2009.<br />
<blockquote>So, I discussed how two-thirds of departing white collar employees carry off proprietary data and the &#8220;it&#8217;s my data&#8221; syndrome and moral ambiguity of the act. I detailed the vector analysis needed to assess these cases and the often clumsy anti-forensic activity used to cover tracks. &#8230;<br />
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When all is said and done, the Aleynikov Affair will probably turn out to be more flash than fire, a point borne out in a rambling <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/17/opinion/17osinski.html?_r=1&#038;th&#038;emc=th" rel="nofollow">guest op-ed in the Times</a> on July 17, 2009.  Sure, it&#8217;s a good story with the tang of corporate espionage played out for billions on the world stage, but don&#8217;t be surprised if it quietly spins down &#8230;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/07/15/aleynikov-lets-go-deep/#comment-16984</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 15:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-

My father was a manager for Motorola for many years.  His policy was that what an engineer had in his head belonged to him- anything else belonged to the company. Aleynikov should have gone by my dad&#039;s policy.

That said, GS is not exactly a sympathetic victim, it kind of seems like stealing Lizzie Borden&#039;s axe!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-</p>
<p>My father was a manager for Motorola for many years.  His policy was that what an engineer had in his head belonged to him- anything else belonged to the company. Aleynikov should have gone by my dad&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>That said, GS is not exactly a sympathetic victim, it kind of seems like stealing Lizzie Borden&#8217;s axe!</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/07/15/aleynikov-lets-go-deep/#comment-16983</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twist -

Admin might also like to review Part IX (pp 168 - 177) of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/honeywell/multics/F15C_pgmgSubrsCourse_Sep83.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this bit of my sadly lost world (PDF)&lt;/a&gt; to gain some insight as to where that argc / argv control argument parsing he&#039;s using in his main routine came from.

Since Multics was the first truly open system, we simply borrowed our own argument parsing from the source of things like the Multics &quot;print&quot; command line utility.  Indeed &quot;argc&quot; and &quot;argv&quot; (with variations) were the internal ANSI PL/I variable names in some of said internal routines.  When Thompson, Kerrigan, Richie, et. al. used the Multics source code as the basis for C&#039;s I/O, they didn&#039;t even bother changing the names.

&#039;Twas a whole different intellectual property regime in those days, and nobody minded.  Come to think about it, if Honeywell or MIT had got litigious with Bell Labs over that one, the world as we know it could not possibly have happened.</description>
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<p>Admin might also like to review Part IX (pp 168 &#8211; 177) of <a href="http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/honeywell/multics/F15C_pgmgSubrsCourse_Sep83.pdf" rel="nofollow">this bit of my sadly lost world (PDF)</a> to gain some insight as to where that argc / argv control argument parsing he&#8217;s using in his main routine came from.</p>
<p>Since Multics was the first truly open system, we simply borrowed our own argument parsing from the source of things like the Multics &#8220;print&#8221; command line utility.  Indeed &#8220;argc&#8221; and &#8220;argv&#8221; (with variations) were the internal ANSI PL/I variable names in some of said internal routines.  When Thompson, Kerrigan, Richie, et. al. used the Multics source code as the basis for C&#8217;s I/O, they didn&#8217;t even bother changing the names.</p>
<p>&#8216;Twas a whole different intellectual property regime in those days, and nobody minded.  Come to think about it, if Honeywell or MIT had got litigious with Bell Labs over that one, the world as we know it could not possibly have happened.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/07/15/aleynikov-lets-go-deep/#comment-16982</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-

Our admin was looking over my shoulder while reading your post, and he just typed the above rather than logging in as himself. The only code I ever wrote was a few lines of Basic years ago. As Igor says, my programming skills are &quot;pathetic&quot;.

I&#039;ll ask him to translate your comment when I see him this morning- although he is far more fluent in &quot;Tech Speak&quot; than English! : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-</p>
<p>Our admin was looking over my shoulder while reading your post, and he just typed the above rather than logging in as himself. The only code I ever wrote was a few lines of Basic years ago. As Igor says, my programming skills are &#8220;pathetic&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll ask him to translate your comment when I see him this morning- although he is far more fluent in &#8220;Tech Speak&#8221; than English! : )</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/07/15/aleynikov-lets-go-deep/#comment-16981</link>
		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twist -

I took the liberty of adding a few &nbsp;&#039;s to make your intentions clearer.  Also, what do you think Admin would make of &lt;a href=&quot;http://my.telegraph.co.uk/doomerjohnm/blog/2007/11/05/imagine_contrails_normal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my reply&lt;/a&gt; to Diane Harvey?
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&lt;strong&gt;LATER:&lt;/strong&gt; I&#039;ve also quietly replaced the open-square-bracket you had at the end of line 2 with an open-brace.  It compiles cleanly now and I&#039;ve got it up and running.  We&#039;ll just have to wait and see what happens at 1331 Zulu ;)</description>
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<p>I took the liberty of adding a few &amp;nbsp;&#8217;s to make your intentions clearer.  Also, what do you think Admin would make of <a href="http://my.telegraph.co.uk/doomerjohnm/blog/2007/11/05/imagine_contrails_normal" rel="nofollow">my reply</a> to Diane Harvey?<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
<strong>LATER:</strong> I&#8217;ve also quietly replaced the open-square-bracket you had at the end of line 2 with an open-brace.  It compiles cleanly now and I&#8217;ve got it up and running.  We&#8217;ll just have to wait and see what happens at 1331 Zulu <img src='http://housingdoom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/07/15/aleynikov-lets-go-deep/#comment-16980</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Admin:

Heresy - we all know there can be only &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Variant:_1TBS&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;One True Brace Style.&lt;/a&gt;

I also don&#039;t understand why people hate spaces before parenthesis, or like them after.

&lt;code&gt;#include &quot;evil.h&quot;
int main (int argc, const char *argv[]) {
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;    pump ();
&#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;    dump ();
}&lt;/code&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Admin:</p>
<p>Heresy &#8211; we all know there can be only <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Variant:_1TBS" rel="nofollow">One True Brace Style.</a></p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t understand why people hate spaces before parenthesis, or like them after.</p>
<p><code>#include "evil.h"<br />
int main (int argc, const char *argv[]) {<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;    pump ();<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;    dump ();<br />
}</code></p>
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