Dr. Jay Butler of ASU’s Realty Studies has released his monthly report on the Phoenix housing market. He says he see’s "signs of recovery" in the market, but then goes on to say the market is "still bottoming out". Here’s what Butler said about sales:
In October, foreclosures on 3,815 homes accounted for 38 percent of the total market, according to Butler. This is an increase from September’s 32 percent, but a drop from the 46 percent of a year ago. That’s not the whole story, however. Approximately 45 percent of traditional transactions — 6,140 sales — involved properties that had been in foreclosure. That means foreclosure-related activity was 66 percent of the market in October — about level with September.

While sales have returned to the levels of the boom years, the market is being driven by speculation and foreclosures. October sales undoubtedly received a bump from the concern of buyers that the $8,000 credit would not continue. Speculators, however, are having a hard time finding renters for these properties–the rental market is glutted. The Phoenix economy continues to be poor and is unlikely to sustain it’s former rate of immigration. What we are basically seeing is the activity of vultures picking over the carcass–this is not healthy activity.
Median Price
The median price in the Phoenix market held steady at $140,000 in October, 20 percent less than the $175,000 of a year ago. The median price for foreclosed properties, however, rose from $136,800 in September to $153, 450 in October compared to $159,775 a year ago.
The median price is off of its lows:

Year-over-year depreciation seems to have moderated as well:

So is this the "bottom"? Are we seeing "recovery"? Here’s what Butler has to say:
Recovery is a matter of definition. The ordinary homeowner expects recovery to bring his home value back to the level of purchase, but whether or not that will happen is an open question, Butler said. Another definition relates to market structure. Butler said that typically, foreclosures account for 3 to 5 percent of the market, a fraction of the current level.
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"The current economic recovery is limited, with the possibility of higher rates and a continuing weak job market," Butler writes. "Further, the housing tax credit — which has been extended to April 2010 — could be dissipating the pent-up demand and weakening its influence in the coming few years. And, foreclosures will eliminate many households from obtaining home financing to buy another home."
Investors are making the market right now, Butler commented. Lured by low prices, they are buying homes to flip or to rent out. A lot of people are troubled by the fact that the market is still being driven by investors rather than buyers who intend to live in the homes. One perception is that the growth in rental houses will negatively impact the already weak apartment market.
All told, Butler thinks the market is still bottoming out rather than recovering.
My take is that this is a plateau, not a "bottoming". This data is basically watching only the lower end of the market, as sales above the conforming limit are basically dead. In September, about a quarter of listings were for homes over $400K. As Butler pointed out, there were 18 homes in foreclosure this month priced at over a million dollars. This is a sign of things to come. We have not yet begun to see a bottoming in this segment of the market. With upper-end housing going into foreclosure at an increasing rate, lower-end housing will have no chance to appreciate.
I disagree that "recovery is a matter of definition". When you think about it, housing is a consumer product. As long as consumers are in financial straights and concerned about the future, they are not going to be investing in housing. Until Phoenix consumers have recovered, housing won’t recover–no matter what the numbers say.









Here is a more detailed snapshot of the make-up of foreclosures in Phoenix to include REO vs short sale and DOM:
http://www.foreclosureexpert.info/2009/11/phoenix-foreclosures-snapshot-to-begin-november-2009.html
twist -
Of course it’s the bottom.. just look at the median home price graph. The line hit the bottom of the chart and bounced back up!
The problem with median prices as a descriptor is that it does not consider the quality of the house. For example, the current median price is about where it was at the end of 2008. But are the median houses the same? Are they the same size, quality, location?
A better descriptor is to take the sales price and divide it by the assessed value for a ratio. The assessed value is a proxy for relative value (not market value). Then compare the median ratios over time and you will get a better picture of same house price movements.
twist -
Care to take on the North Texas numbers? In any case, perhaps you should offer to buy this guy a coffee the next time you’re in that neck of the woods. He’s one of the better MSM RE reporters, as I recall.
“When housing news is good or bad, complaints follow”, by Steve Brown, Dallas Morning News, November 13, 2009.
My issue with all these “getting better” data sets are that they deserve a big asterik next to them. Soemthing like:
Home Sales Up*
*denotes US governemnt buying 95% of all mortages for the last 3 months which has never happened before.
Quote of the Day (accident-prone RE cheerleader Amy Hoak interviewing Chief Economist Lawrence Yun at NAR’s annual convention):
I actually give Jay credit for not being as much of a shill as he used to be. Some people *still* haven’t learned.
John- #4
I looked at the data and have no clue what this clown is talking about. Sales have dropped for the past four months- and so has the median price. Foreclosures are up and so is unemployment. And he wonders why readers are mad at him?
John- #6
Yun is just hysterical. He says unemployment will run around 10% next year, but that won’t scare the employed- they will all run go buy a house?
I wonder if he has to practice saying this stuff with a straight face in a mirror before press conferences? I couldn’t do it, myself.
twist -
Well Steve isn’t any Danielle DiMartino, but certainly he reports at a rather higher level than Amy (guess who gets splashed all over the major media on a regular basis!).
Biggest crime of all of this:
if a $8k credit gets you to overextend yourself, then the whole thing is just subprime supercharged. It will end the same but worse.
Its a dead t*rd bounce off the bottom ,soon to re-visit it.
Price houses in a real currency,like gold and silver, not that paper promise (you carry around)
which is backed by nothing,created and supplied by criminals.
Watch the video. “Creature from Jekyll Island”
The housing market has definitely not bottomed out yet. Speculation and government subsidized purchases (tax credits, expanded FHA, increased loan purchases by Fannie, Freddie, Ginnie, etc.) are driving the market right now. Soon the speculators will be gone and the government subsidies will be gone and we will be left with the facts: there are too many homes, too few real buyers and home prices are still too high relative to personal incomes. I cover this in my blog at http://www.HaltingForeclosures.com.
This may be ancidotal information but I have more than a few friends and business associates that are just hanging on right now. My impression is they are trying to make it thru the end of the year and are hoping or praying things get beter in a hurry. The government may pump money and mis-information out to everyone but it isn’t helping these people. I think 2010 is going to be really bad as in it’s time to pay the piper. Jay Butler is moving closer to the truth for a change but it must be alot worse than what he is telling because the man is a shill.