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		<title>By: twist</title>
		<link>http://housingdoom.com/2009/11/20/op-ed-friday-fighting-for-the-right-to-hang/comment-page-1/#comment-21251</link>
		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ-

Sometimes back when I lived in Chandler, I&#039;d get sneaky and hang up clothesline below the fence. Mostly I hung towels on it. [&lt;em&gt;Why, when the kids are in the pool three times in one day do they need &lt;b&gt;three&lt;/b&gt; towels?&lt;/em&gt;]

The good thing was that things never had to hang out long enough to get dusty- it always seemed like things would dry in about 15 minutes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ-</p>
<p>Sometimes back when I lived in Chandler, I&#8217;d get sneaky and hang up clothesline below the fence. Mostly I hung towels on it. [<em>Why, when the kids are in the pool three times in one day do they need <b>three</b> towels?</em>]</p>
<p>The good thing was that things never had to hang out long enough to get dusty- it always seemed like things would dry in about 15 minutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have fond memories of my great grandmother hanging her laundry out behind her rural Virginia house.  4 or 5 acres, so no HOAs to worry about.

Southern AZ seems (to me) too dusty to put just-washed clothes outdoors, but I guess the spring and summer heat would dry them pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have fond memories of my great grandmother hanging her laundry out behind her rural Virginia house.  4 or 5 acres, so no HOAs to worry about.</p>
<p>Southern AZ seems (to me) too dusty to put just-washed clothes outdoors, but I guess the spring and summer heat would dry them pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: malthus</title>
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		<dc:creator>malthus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the clothesline handy. It is always useful for hanging bureaucrats and politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep the clothesline handy. It is always useful for hanging bureaucrats and politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>45-

Too bad this video from the Premier&#039;s website isn&#039;t embedable:

http://www.premier.gov.on.ca/journal/index.php?page=2&amp;journal=51&amp;Lang=En

I love the slogan in the background, &quot;Take a load off Toronto and let it all hang out.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>45-</p>
<p>Too bad this video from the Premier&#8217;s website isn&#8217;t embedable:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.premier.gov.on.ca/journal/index.php?page=2&#038;journal=51&#038;Lang=En" rel="nofollow">http://www.premier.gov.on.ca/journal/index.php?page=2&#038;journal=51&#038;Lang=En</a></p>
<p>I love the slogan in the background, &#8220;Take a load off Toronto and let it all hang out.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: 45north</title>
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		<dc:creator>45north</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ontario, Canada has passed legislation that allows clotheslines.
http://www.mei.gov.on.ca/en/energy/electricity/?page=regulations

you have scroll down a bit to see the rules about clothes lines</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ontario, Canada has passed legislation that allows clotheslines.<br />
<a href="http://www.mei.gov.on.ca/en/energy/electricity/?page=regulations" rel="nofollow">http://www.mei.gov.on.ca/en/energy/electricity/?page=regulations</a></p>
<p>you have scroll down a bit to see the rules about clothes lines</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This was wildly OT, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/weather/entries/2009/11/20/rain_today_may.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;but I got a kick out of our local weather report today:&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Reacting sharply to critics of his rainfall stimulus plan enacted just  yesterday, Lower Colorado River Authority president Torrence DeLuge this morning  asked for patience from the people of Central Texas.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;After the first of a mandatory two days of rainfall, critics on both sides of  the controversial Hill Country Drought Recovery and Lake Basin Reinvestment Act,  are calling the measure a failure.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Some critics say Thursday night&#8217;s rain was too little too late to stamp out a  drought that has reached its bony hand in to pluck out the very heart of the  Hill Country. Hard liners on the other side - one fringe group had called for 40  days and 40 nights of rain - are clamoring today for second and, perhaps, a  third rainfall stimulus from the LCRA.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;The consensus criticism has been the wildly uneven distribution of the  government mandated rainfall. Over the past six hours, according to LCRA  rainfall readings citizens about an hour east of Austin received a veritable  rain windfall. Harper, just west of Fredericksburg got 2.57 inches of rain.  Doss, a little north of there, got 2.20 inches and Cherokee, south of San Saba  got 2.06 inches.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Closer to Austin, Barton Creek at Highway 71 in Oak Hill got 1.04 inches.  Dripping Springs got 1.02 inches, Blanco 1.01 inches and Lake Buchanan at Cedar  Point 97-inch.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;However, during the same time period in other parts of the Hill County,  Florence got just .07 inch Backbone Creek at Marble Falls .13 inch and Spicewood  got .19 inch of rain.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;In Austin the disparity was just as glaring. Camp Mabry recorded .67 inch of  rain over the past six hours while Austin-Bergstrom International Airport  received just .20 inch, according to the National Weather Service.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&#8220;Apparently, the wet get wetter and the dry get drier,&#8221; Florence rancher Cud  Bleffarts said this morning standing next to a mud cracked stock tank, holding a  cupped and upturned hand toward the sky.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;A weary and bedraggled DeLuge this morning promised that a much more dramatic  rainfall today would allow the LCRA to meet all of its goals for the success of  the rainfall stimulus plan. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After all the baloney I usually wade through from the MSM, maybe I&#039;m just too easily entertained any more.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>This was wildly OT, <a href="http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/weather/entries/2009/11/20/rain_today_may.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">but I got a kick out of our local weather report today:</a></p>
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<p><em>Reacting sharply to critics of his rainfall stimulus plan enacted just  yesterday, Lower Colorado River Authority president Torrence DeLuge this morning  asked for patience from the people of Central Texas.</em></p>
<p><em>After the first of a mandatory two days of rainfall, critics on both sides of  the controversial Hill Country Drought Recovery and Lake Basin Reinvestment Act,  are calling the measure a failure.</em></p>
<p><em>Some critics say Thursday night&rsquo;s rain was too little too late to stamp out a  drought that has reached its bony hand in to pluck out the very heart of the  Hill Country. Hard liners on the other side &#8211; one fringe group had called for 40  days and 40 nights of rain &#8211; are clamoring today for second and, perhaps, a  third rainfall stimulus from the LCRA.</em></p>
<p><em>The consensus criticism has been the wildly uneven distribution of the  government mandated rainfall. Over the past six hours, according to LCRA  rainfall readings citizens about an hour east of Austin received a veritable  rain windfall. Harper, just west of Fredericksburg got 2.57 inches of rain.  Doss, a little north of there, got 2.20 inches and Cherokee, south of San Saba  got 2.06 inches.</em></p>
<p><em>Closer to Austin, Barton Creek at Highway 71 in Oak Hill got 1.04 inches.  Dripping Springs got 1.02 inches, Blanco 1.01 inches and Lake Buchanan at Cedar  Point 97-inch.</em></p>
<p><em>However, during the same time period in other parts of the Hill County,  Florence got just .07 inch Backbone Creek at Marble Falls .13 inch and Spicewood  got .19 inch of rain.</em></p>
<p><em>In Austin the disparity was just as glaring. Camp Mabry recorded .67 inch of  rain over the past six hours while Austin-Bergstrom International Airport  received just .20 inch, according to the National Weather Service.</em></p>
<p><em>&ldquo;Apparently, the wet get wetter and the dry get drier,&rdquo; Florence rancher Cud  Bleffarts said this morning standing next to a mud cracked stock tank, holding a  cupped and upturned hand toward the sky.</em></p>
<p><em>A weary and bedraggled DeLuge this morning promised that a much more dramatic  rainfall today would allow the LCRA to meet all of its goals for the success of  the rainfall stimulus plan. </em></p>
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<p>After all the baloney I usually wade through from the MSM, maybe I&#8217;m just too easily entertained any more.</p>
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		<title>By: AZSALUKI</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZSALUKI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m not a huge fan of HOA&#039;s but my family does live in one (the wife REFUSES to chance moving next to the guy with a 78 el camino permanently up on cinder blocks in the front yard). to me it seems that the problem all too often is that the CCR&#039;s don&#039;t always differentiate the front from the back of the property. i don&#039;t want to see your &quot;unmentionables&quot; blowing around the front porch or yard all up and down the block, but if the two back yards (that are the only yards in view from the typical home) next to me have a few bras hangin on a line, i have no problem with it. my wife hangs clothes to dry as well. however, we have those wire racks that you get at target for $10 and we can air dry 2-3 full loads in our bedroom. it&#039;s not because i&#039;m worried about the neighbors, rather we just think it&#039;s easier than going in and outside (and prolly because wy wife doesn&#039;t want her panties doubling as a flag in our yard?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m not a huge fan of HOA&#8217;s but my family does live in one (the wife REFUSES to chance moving next to the guy with a 78 el camino permanently up on cinder blocks in the front yard). to me it seems that the problem all too often is that the CCR&#8217;s don&#8217;t always differentiate the front from the back of the property. i don&#8217;t want to see your &#8220;unmentionables&#8221; blowing around the front porch or yard all up and down the block, but if the two back yards (that are the only yards in view from the typical home) next to me have a few bras hangin on a line, i have no problem with it. my wife hangs clothes to dry as well. however, we have those wire racks that you get at target for $10 and we can air dry 2-3 full loads in our bedroom. it&#8217;s not because i&#8217;m worried about the neighbors, rather we just think it&#8217;s easier than going in and outside (and prolly because wy wife doesn&#8217;t want her panties doubling as a flag in our yard?).</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Renting-

Believe it or not, I recently saw a home where the owners had stretched clotheslines all over the front porch.  

I&#039;m of the &quot;no harm, no foul&quot; school of front yard landscaping.  Whatever I do shouldn&#039;t make it difficult for my neighbor to sell his house.  Consequently I think rules against things like hoses and windchimes are silly. I think I&#039;d hesitate to buy the house next door to the folks with all the laundry out front though.

If HOAs stuck to health hazards and trashed out front yards, I&#039;d think they were great.  Unfortunately they are often manned by folks who fulfill their power trips by trying to dictate what shade of tan you can paint your trim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Renting-</p>
<p>Believe it or not, I recently saw a home where the owners had stretched clotheslines all over the front porch.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m of the &#8220;no harm, no foul&#8221; school of front yard landscaping.  Whatever I do shouldn&#8217;t make it difficult for my neighbor to sell his house.  Consequently I think rules against things like hoses and windchimes are silly. I think I&#8217;d hesitate to buy the house next door to the folks with all the laundry out front though.</p>
<p>If HOAs stuck to health hazards and trashed out front yards, I&#8217;d think they were great.  Unfortunately they are often manned by folks who fulfill their power trips by trying to dictate what shade of tan you can paint your trim.</p>
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		<title>By: rentinginAZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>rentinginAZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the HOAs in AZ continued to fight against solar panels due to their supposed unsightliness until they passed a law requiring HOAs to permit them.  Clotheslines also have great environmental merit.  Maybe we need a law protecting them as well.  (Maybe an all-encompassing law stating that if a household item/tool has sufficient and proven environmental merit, an HOA cannot prevent a homeowner from using it.) 

That said, a clothesline does belong in the backyard, not the front.  However, I doubt that in reality that has been an issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the HOAs in AZ continued to fight against solar panels due to their supposed unsightliness until they passed a law requiring HOAs to permit them.  Clotheslines also have great environmental merit.  Maybe we need a law protecting them as well.  (Maybe an all-encompassing law stating that if a household item/tool has sufficient and proven environmental merit, an HOA cannot prevent a homeowner from using it.) </p>
<p>That said, a clothesline does belong in the backyard, not the front.  However, I doubt that in reality that has been an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John-

How very sensible of you and your neighbors.  

My clothesline is below grade and not visible from the street.  My neighbor can only see the line from his backyard- not from any of his windows.  That didn&#039;t stop him for coming over right after we moved in to tell us that the line was against the CC&amp;Rs.

According to the man that built the house, the line was on the plan when the house plans were submitted to the architectural committee. Apparently they didn&#039;t notice the line and approved it- so we do have an exception.

I&#039;ll agree that if clothes are hanging all over the front porch, it&#039;s not a class look, but I don&#039;t see what the big deal is when the line is in the backyard.

Mr. Twist and I between us spent five years on our homeowner&#039;s board in AZ.  We did it to try and keep the radicals off of the board.  Sadly, too many people are concerned about the color of their neighbor&#039;s basketball pole or if they left their hose in the front yard.

Igor &quot;dislikes&quot; it, and so do I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John-</p>
<p>How very sensible of you and your neighbors.  </p>
<p>My clothesline is below grade and not visible from the street.  My neighbor can only see the line from his backyard- not from any of his windows.  That didn&#8217;t stop him for coming over right after we moved in to tell us that the line was against the CC&#038;Rs.</p>
<p>According to the man that built the house, the line was on the plan when the house plans were submitted to the architectural committee. Apparently they didn&#8217;t notice the line and approved it- so we do have an exception.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll agree that if clothes are hanging all over the front porch, it&#8217;s not a class look, but I don&#8217;t see what the big deal is when the line is in the backyard.</p>
<p>Mr. Twist and I between us spent five years on our homeowner&#8217;s board in AZ.  We did it to try and keep the radicals off of the board.  Sadly, too many people are concerned about the color of their neighbor&#8217;s basketball pole or if they left their hose in the front yard.</p>
<p>Igor &#8220;dislikes&#8221; it, and so do I.</p>
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		<title>By: John M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>twist -

Mrs M would perish without a line.  We live in a perfectly good R2 neighbourhood and &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; hangs.  Just two difficulties ... 1) the dollar stores no longer carry sock dryers; and 2) Environment Canada occasionally over-promises sun ;)</description>
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<p>Mrs M would perish without a line.  We live in a perfectly good R2 neighbourhood and <em>everyone</em> hangs.  Just two difficulties &#8230; 1) the dollar stores no longer carry sock dryers; and 2) Environment Canada occasionally over-promises sun <img src='http://housingdoom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: greggparadiddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>greggparadiddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting for the moment when a bank becomes the majority owner of some neighborhood and votes to terminate the covenants that created the the HOA.  That will be the day that we finally turn back the tide of ever-increasing housing fascism that HOAs represent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for the moment when a bank becomes the majority owner of some neighborhood and votes to terminate the covenants that created the the HOA.  That will be the day that we finally turn back the tide of ever-increasing housing fascism that HOAs represent.</p>
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