With all the underwater homes out there, there are a lot of second mortgages that are in effect unsecured loans. Now it sounds like debt collectors in New York [a recourse state] are treating them as such:
Josh Zinner of the Neighborhood Economic Development Advocacy Project in Manhattan said some lenders or trusts for banks that went out of business are selling off second mortgages today to debt collectors for pennies on the dollars. Those debt collectors are then going after the homeowners’ bank accounts or pay checks to recoup whatever money they can.
This can create problems for borrowers who are trying to modify loans. Take for example this case:
[A]n Arden Heights woman who was talking to her bank about modifying the loan on her first mortgage. Then a debt collector, which bought the second mortgage on the house, won a judgment to garnish 10 percent of the woman’s paycheck. That has jeopardized a good shot at a loan modification.
One of the big issues in this push by debt collectors to go after these homeowners is whether these mortgage holders have been properly notified:
Lawyers for troubled Staten Island homeowners say they are beginning to see examples of clients who go to the bank to take out money and find that their accounts have been frozen or wiped out by other banks or debt collectors — the entities holding second mortgages on houses already in default on the first and primary mortgage. Some are learning the lender or debt collector has already gone to court and secured a judgment to garnish paychecks.
Improper notification of court dates has become a big problem in New York:
Perhaps in part because they are not notified, people sued in New York City often fail to appear in court to protect their interests, according to a study released last year by MFY Legal Services, a nonprofit law firm in New York.
MFY found that just seven law firms filed nearly one-third of all the cases seeking to collect $25,000 or less in New York City’s civil courts. Fewer than 10 percent of the defendants in those cases appeared to defend themselves.
“Then there are these high number of default judgments rates,” said Carolyn E. Coffey, a staff lawyer at MFY and an author of the study. She said she was mystified that problems with getting notice could go unaddressed.
“Part of the problem is the business model of these debt collection lawsuits,” Ms. Coffey said. Creditors often have bought the loans from another financial company, she said, and then hired companies that specialize in collections to notify people of lawsuits.
The payment for delivering notice of a lawsuit may be just $5 for each successful assignment, Ms. Coffey said, creating an incentive to engage in “sewer service,” where the delivery person simply tosses the court notice in the sewer and claims that the defendant was notified.
Improper notification isn’t the only problem however. Many defendants fail to respond:
While it may seem obvious that a foreclosure action can result in the loss of the subject property, the reality is that historically, many homeowners do not file answers to foreclosure complaints. With the new laws, the legislature and courts seek to emphasize the need for homeowners to take quick action by filing and serving an answer to the foreclosure complaint. The hope is to give homeowners, particularly those who are burdened with subprime loans, a chance to stop foreclosure and reach an alternative solution not involving the loss of their properties.
Josh Zinner of the Neighborhood Economic Development Advocacy Project in Manhattan says of the situation:
The backdrop to that is there are real fundamental problems in the debt buyer industry. The combination of the second mortgage problem with all the abuses in the debt collection industry is toxic, and could really create havoc for homeowners who are trying to avoid foreclosure on their primary mortgage.









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Some of our bubble blogger colleagues have been warning us about silent seconds (and note that even the “benign” type is what the Implode-O-Gang has long been robustly criticizing as seller funded DPA) for a long time. And way back in AEI II (10/11 ‘07, more than 2 years ago) UBS fixed-income analyst Tom Zimmerman had this to say (scroll down about 1 page) on the subject.
It would seem that with major across-the-country home price declines the 2nd mortgage has become a major albatross around the neck of this whole industry.
By the way, if you’ve got the time and patience for it just go to the AEI Subprime “Participants” list in Igor’s Dungeon and visit the 6 links to Zimmerman’s presentations in AEI I, II, III, IV, V and VI. Tom has been providing a first class overview of the whole crisis as it’s been unfolding.
Welcome to the world of zombie debt collectors. The collection agencies are going to have a field day with all of this debt. The bank may have let you slide on that 2nd loan but then sold it off to the CA’s and they will never give up. I’m not sure but in Arizona the statue of limitations on credit card debt is 3 years if they consider this secured debt its 7 years that they can come after you. Filing a bankruptcy will stop it though. I fought with a zombie debt collector for 2 years over an account that wasn’t even mine.
What are the laws on this? Does this only affect those trying to modify their loans, or does it affect foreclosures too? Why would the second loan be treated so differently?
What this article fails to mention is that these “second mortgages” are really not strictly mortgages. They are plain vanilla consumer loans with an added kicker. That kicker being the attachment of collateral (house) to the note. These hybrid second mortgages are illegal in most states. The debt collectors are getting wage and bank account garnishments in court because they are not going the foreclosure route. They are simply trying to collect on a note.
The added issue is the failure of New York to adequately address the process of constructive service. Most states require process servers to be certified/licensed, and to be third party individuals (much like a Notary Public). NY is notorious for scam servicing. Thus the default judgements when people don’t show up in court.
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This is standard proceedure for the collection agencies file a lawsuit and never serve the person with a notice to appear in court. They show up and get a default judgement against them and garnish away. Unless you are savy with consumer law they take advantage of you. We need laws to stop this from happening, and the housing crash may be the way to open up our governments eyes as to what goes on with these bottom feeders.
As a new agent in Las Vegas, I get yanked into conference rooms almost daily for a dose of propeganda. Some of it’s real hard to swallow.
I just recently attended another one of those meetings but it was interrupted by a rep from North American Title who made a rather chilling announcement.
He wanted us to know that Short Sale sellers are now going to get hit by their lender with a Promissory Note for the deficiency at the end of their escrow. The Promissory Note lasts for 6 years. The lenders are selling them for cheap to a collection agency who can hold them for those 6 years then go after the now-recovered short seller.
That unsuspecting short-seller may have their feet on the ground at the end of the 6 years and then get blind-sided by the collection agency.
Based on that, I requested a list of all the people who were getting their 5-year adjustment in ‘10, and who were late on their payment – my desk has stacks of lists on it.
This is just for a community in Las Vegas, just a community.
Then I asked for the same thing for Long Beach, CA, residents who own Las Vegas property that are getting their 5-year adjustment in ‘10, and who were late on their payments – another hefty stack is on my desk.
I’m amazed at how many (and who!) fell into the Las Vegas homebuying trap.
North American Title is offering to do the negotiating on Short Sales which will give the poor seller a huge leg-up and possibly avoid the Promissory Note altogether.
Just these November ‘09 stacks alone are enough to keep me busy for 10 years.
As repeated often on this and other blogs, when short-selling have an attorney represent you at the closing table. Under no circumstance should anyone agree to a promissory note for the difference. In fact, you need to get the lender to agree that the note is paid in full so that they can not come after you later. Otherwise it makes NO sense to do a short-sale. Simply put up a nominal foreclosure fight to delay the inevitable (easy in most states), and take the credit hit.
And this is only the beginning – what I’m waiting for is for the other shoe to drop on all of the refis and HELOCs.
The collectors have only just begun – 2008’s foreclosure may well become 2011’s debt collection nightmare for millions.